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Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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My car? I no longer want to own and maintain a car. I want ubiquitous availability of transportation. On demand. But I don't necessarily want Uber / Lyft either. I don't mind driving.

As it is, my car lost value the day I drove it off the lot. Most of the time it sits doing nothing at all, sans getting older and losing more value.

If ever there was a life pain that screams subscription + pay as you go it's personal transportation.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

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It is only a matter of time before there are jailbreaks and free / open source car operating systems. For related 'food for thought', see Cory Doctorow's "Car Wars" which combines car software hacking with self-driving vehicles for a unique near-future sci-fi story. Edit: downvotes? Instead, you could respond with why you disagree and we can have a discussion. Do you think there will not be jailbreaks? It has been ha…

Yes, but that's a losing game - the manufacturers will continually tighten security until it's infeasible - see how difficult it is to jailbreak current-generation iPhones and game consoles, for instance. The only ways out are social (consumers acting en masse to exert market pressure) or legal (regulation). You can't hack your way around this issue - as the attacker, the strong crypto that exists (and enables things…

But the thing is, those things will be broken in the future.

Even if unfeasible now, they will be in future.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#34
I de-computered my older mechanical diesel,led lights all round,modifications to the wireing and removed the alternator and added solar panels. And there are no beeps in my house, mostly older equipment. Also have managed my online life by going wireless with two phones,#1 has lots of data and is de-guggled doesnt send or recieve texts and has no social media,etc. #2 has no data and is wide open ,accessing the internet by wifi from phone number 1 The idea of a car that beeps and wimpers and whines for handouts gives me the cold grue and shudders.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#35

I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…

> I want it to be like my microwave. Yes. Plus: I want it to be like a simple microwave that does what I need: heats for a certain amount of time at a certain power level. 2 physical knobs.

Yes. Definitively not like my microwave. My microwave has not only the worst interface. But it also lags. The polling rate of the capacitive touche buttons is too low. And any action also takes a second to validate. It's horrendous.

Give me back my late grandma microwave. Two knobs. Nothing more.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#36

I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…

The problem is that you're not going to have this choice. You'll be that guy insisting he wants a phone that's thicker but has better battery life - no manufacturer cares what you want because they have to operate at a scale where they can't cater for niches.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#37

I don't want my car to be a software platform. I want it to be like my microwave. It might have software, but software is only incidental to its operation. I do not want to tweet from my microwave. I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone. I don't care what I have to do to attain that. If that means replacing the radio. I will do it. If you brick my car if I don't have a Manufactu…

> I do not want ads in traffic. This is non-negotiable for safety reasons alone.

LMAO! OK, who's gonna tell him about the ads on the radio?

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#38

It is only a matter of time before there are jailbreaks and free / open source car operating systems. For related 'food for thought', see Cory Doctorow's "Car Wars" which combines car software hacking with self-driving vehicles for a unique near-future sci-fi story. Edit: downvotes? Instead, you could respond with why you disagree and we can have a discussion. Do you think there will not be jailbreaks? It has been ha…

Voiding the warranty of your phone is one thing, but on your car? What if it voids the insurance?

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#39

This just feels like the latest in a long line of industries trying to build a recurring revenue model fueled by greed. Looking at the uproar from moves by Circut[1] and others makes me question how out of touch some of these companies are. I think companies need to realise a subscription needs to deliver constant tangible value to the consumer. 1. https://connpirg.org/blogs/blog/usp/angry-crafting-moms-blow...

This would not have been a problem (or even an option for the company) if the software was open source.

Re: Cars are about to be a software platform, subscriptions and all

#40

It is only a matter of time before there are jailbreaks and free / open source car operating systems. For related 'food for thought', see Cory Doctorow's "Car Wars" which combines car software hacking with self-driving vehicles for a unique near-future sci-fi story. Edit: downvotes? Instead, you could respond with why you disagree and we can have a discussion. Do you think there will not be jailbreaks? It has been ha…

There's a worry that insurance won't cover you if the car manufacturers say "Oh he hacked the software". Accidentally hit someone? Now you have to pay the full damage. Got into an accident? Sorry, pay your own hospital, your coverage has been cancelled. A neater hack would be for the jailbreak to delete itself and restore the original software when it detects that the car crashed, e.g. do it on airbag deployment.

>> There's a worry that insurance won't cover you if the car manufacturers say "Oh he hacked the software". Accidentally hit someone? Now you have to pay the full damage. Got into an accident? Sorry, pay your own hospital, your coverage has been cancelled.

You bring up a good point, but that assumes that there are problems with the replacement car software.

People repair and modify their own cars today and most insurers do not object unless their is some kind of gross negligence / unsafe modifications.

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