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Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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Well, that makes me a tad less enthusiastic about Rust.

I doubt Zuckerberg will be personally involved. It will be all engineers.

Exactly right. After all engineers are just working for salary, eating free meals, cashing their RSUs. They have no clue or hand in how Facebook makes money today. Moreover they promise to learn about FB's business and write a strongly worded letter on "Why I left Facebook" when leaving after vesting most of company stocks

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

#32
post #4

Can anyone speak to what power this gives them in the rust foundation, other than just good will and the dependence on funding?

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

Facebook is one of the sponsors of the Python Software Foundation too. https://www.python.org/psf/sponsorship/sponsors/

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kinds of things that Facebook most often receives flak for would be difficult to pursue though the layer of indirection that is sponsoring a foundation dedicated to the Rust programming language. Similarly, since Facebook isn't a software vendor, the kinds of things that you might achieve by securing undue influence within the Rust Foundation don't really benefit them.

But what's in it for Facebook then? They're spending real money, there's got to be something for them to benefit from?

There are a lot of teams within Facebook that use Rust, and a lot of things that could be improved with Rust that would benefit Facebook as well as everyone else.

(I work at Facebook on a team that uses Rust)

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #4

Can anyone speak to what power this gives them in the rust foundation, other than just good will and the dependence on funding?

Too much. It goads people in the Rust community to pretend to think Facebook is well-meaning company. I'm going to continue thinking Facebook doesn't care about people, even when they're being killed by the thousands, and I'm more comfortable doing that as someone who uses Vue and Python and not Rust. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45449938 Edit: I realized I'm slowly getting into Deno, which is based on Rus…

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Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #5
post #2

Well, that makes me a tad less enthusiastic about Rust.

It had to happen, the only way to make a programming language successful is to have it backed by most big tech companies.

Python, C, C++, Perl, Bash were pretty successful before the modern FAANG culture.

Same for projects other than programming languages, e.g. Linux.

I don't feel comfortable with corporate-driven FOSS. I'll stick with community languages.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #2

Well, that makes me a tad less enthusiastic about Rust.

It makes me the opposite. I hate the idea of Facebook and the damage it's fine, and I don't have an account. That being said Facebook has done some absolutely amazing open source projects (rocksdb, open hardware) and papers detailing the exact technology they use (seaweedfs is based on a research paper they published) so I'm sure a lot of cool tech will come from their adoption

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #2

Well, that makes me a tad less enthusiastic about Rust.

Rust should include in their license: "The Software/Language shall be used for Good, not Evil" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#%22Good,_not...

That would make Rust no longer Open Source according to the OSI definition, and incompatible with most other OSS.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #24
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kinds of things that Facebook most often receives flak for would be difficult to pursue though the layer of indirection that is sponsoring a foundation dedicated to the Rust programming language. Similarly, since Facebook isn't a software vendor, the kinds of things that you might achieve by securing undue influence within the Rust Foundation don't really benefit them.

But what's in it for Facebook then? They're spending real money, there's got to be something for them to benefit from?

FB are large enough that they do a ton of their own very low level work - up to and including things like their own bespoke datacenter switches and SDN platform, stuff which is almost wholly distinct from what their core product is. (https://engineering.fb.com/2019/03/14/data-center-engineerin...)

It seems entirely possible that, even putting aside the PR, they're concerned about making sure a robust modern systems language stays around/thvives so that they have a robust modern systems language to use.

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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post #14

This is a great step for the Rust Foundation and a sign that Rust is transitioning successfully to a foundation model rather than a Mozilla-centric organization. It looks like some people are worried about Facebook's influence on Rust, but that doesn't seem like a huge concern to me. Facebook isn't going to want to influence Rust in any particularly "Facebooky" way since it's such a deep-in-the-infrastructure compone…

So Microsoft, Amazon, and Google being founding platinum members has little bearing on Rust transitioning to a foundation model which is not a Mozilla-centric organization?

Re: Facebook Joins the Rust Foundation

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Does anyone know what the financial requirements are to be a platinum or silver level member of the Rust Foundation? I clicked around on their website but couldn't find the answer.

Rough guess: In the inauguration blog post[0], a yearly budget of $1mil was mentioned, when there were 5 founding members (so $200k/year/company). I am not sure if the distinction they make on the "Members" page between "Founding Platinum" and "Platinum" has any practical implications, but I guess that new members might have to pay a premium. So possibly +$200k/year/company for Platinum level.

[0] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/posts/2021-02-08-hello-worl...

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