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Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by wdn »

sammorrowdrums wrote: post #6
dannyw wrote: post #3

Amazon is offering competitive wages (especially for Albama's cost of living), and benefits from day one. Maybe a majority of the workers there prefer the status quo?

I would be willing to listen to that line of argument, but having seen the Amazon manager training videos, the doitwithoutdues.com site, the countless other articles, evidence and anecdotes about Amazon's particularly aggressive forms of trying to prevent unionisation, the twitter ambassadors tweeting the official talking points etc. I don't think we can rule out the possibility we don't actually know what the employ…

One of my neighbor works fir Amazon warehouse here in NJ, he is quite happy, never heard him complain about it.

Yeap, I agreed with you. The media is untrustworthy and is a propaganda machine. Good thing is they are digging their own grave now.

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by [deleted] »

IntelMiner wrote: post #25
enkid wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a world where being able to not have access to healthcare is a good thing.

Americans always say it should be "their choice" and I just feel like I'm staring at an incomplete jigsaw puzzle Like. It's your choice to...go bankrupt or die from a treatable illness? I don't know what they expect non-Americans to draw from that line of reasoning

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Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by bongobingo »

robobro wrote: post #5
dannyw wrote: post #3

Amazon is offering competitive wages (especially for Albama's cost of living), and benefits from day one. Maybe a majority of the workers there prefer the status quo?

As an iww organizer with friends across the US in Amazon warehouse management and on the ground- no Unions are just bringing democracy into capitalism. How can any red blooded American oppose them? Edit: not sure why I'm being down voted, did I say something offensive??

Does that democracy include the right to not join the union?

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by [deleted] »

wdn wrote: post #31
sammorrowdrums wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be willing to listen to that line of argument, but having seen the Amazon manager training videos, the doitwithoutdues.com site, the countless other articles, evidence and anecdotes about Amazon's particularly aggressive forms of trying to prevent unionisation, the twitter ambassadors tweeting the official talking points etc. I don't think we can rule out the possibility we don't actually know what the employ…

One of my neighbor works fir Amazon warehouse here in NJ, he is quite happy, never heard him complain about it. Yeap, I agreed with you. The media is untrustworthy and is a propaganda machine. Good thing is they are digging their own grave now.

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Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by barry-cotter »

nieksand wrote: post #16
robobro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an iww organizer with friends across the US in Amazon warehouse management and on the ground- no Unions are just bringing democracy into capitalism. How can any red blooded American oppose them? Edit: not sure why I'm being down voted, did I say something offensive??

1. At their best unions protect members from managerial malfeasance, but unions also go out of their way to protect incompetents who should be fired. That is soul crushing as a coworker, bad for the company, and possibly harmful to customers. 2. Unions are heavily involved in politics. As a worker, part of your paycheck is being seized to support politicians whom you may vehemently oppose. 3. American unions fixate o…

> American unions fixate on seniority and credentials as metrics of merit. This is a poor fit for professions like software engineering and educators, where those only loosely correlate to actual performance.

Feel free to name a profession where seniority and qualifications correlate well with performance.

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by rovr138 »

wdn wrote: post #31
sammorrowdrums wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be willing to listen to that line of argument, but having seen the Amazon manager training videos, the doitwithoutdues.com site, the countless other articles, evidence and anecdotes about Amazon's particularly aggressive forms of trying to prevent unionisation, the twitter ambassadors tweeting the official talking points etc. I don't think we can rule out the possibility we don't actually know what the employ…

One of my neighbor works fir Amazon warehouse here in NJ, he is quite happy, never heard him complain about it. Yeap, I agreed with you. The media is untrustworthy and is a propaganda machine. Good thing is they are digging their own grave now.

Have you looked at social media? Most people live by appearances and fake a lot of emotions.

Not saying this is the case with your neighbor, but if they’re just a neighbor, not a close friend, they might simply not feel okay talking about it with you.

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by rovr138 »

Miner49er wrote: post #26
djbebs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing stopping you from buying your own health insurance. You used to be able to go without, but thanks to Obama care that is now not an option, and you are forced to do business with insurers

I don't think this is true? It depends on several different things. If Amazon covers 100% of the insurance then they have to take it, or if it's in their employment contract that they have to take it, then they have to. Additionally, if they are paid a low enough emount that they qualify for government subsidies on health insurance, they can't get those if they deny the Amazon supplied insurance. Edit: I checked, and…

> Finally, you can't switch any time, it can only be done during an open enrollment period or if you have a major life event like getting married, I think?

I know you can’t change the policy, but I’m not sure about providers (like going from being in your jobs policy to going with a private one)

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by rovr138 »

bongobingo wrote: post #30
enkid wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a world where being able to not have access to healthcare is a good thing.

If you’re not American, it’s difficult to understand. However, insurance is an absolute scam in the US. You pay hundreds of dollars per month for the privilege of having to pay thousands of dollars before your insurance will start paying. For many families the monthly premiums could run over a thousand dollars, and the deductible could be $15,000. …or you could get some cheap catastrophic insurance, and pay cash for…

That’s also a VERY high premium AND deductible.

Not saying it’s not out there, but they both are high.

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by zeckalpha »

robobro wrote: post #5
dannyw wrote: post #3

Amazon is offering competitive wages (especially for Albama's cost of living), and benefits from day one. Maybe a majority of the workers there prefer the status quo?

As an iww organizer with friends across the US in Amazon warehouse management and on the ground- no Unions are just bringing democracy into capitalism. How can any red blooded American oppose them? Edit: not sure why I'm being down voted, did I say something offensive??

I suspect many of the child comments don’t understand how IWW differs from RWDSU.

Re: Union's evidence in Amazon vote 'could be grounds for overturning election'

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Post by zelon88 »

dannyw wrote: post #3

Amazon is offering competitive wages (especially for Albama's cost of living), and benefits from day one. Maybe a majority of the workers there prefer the status quo?

"Competitive" wages are a form of slavery.

It means you don't truly consider the employees value. You just pay him 15 cents more than the guy down the street.

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