The End of the Road

Post by shkkmo » Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

atweiden wrote: post #22

shkkmo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "pioneers" you are jealous of did not homestead unoccupied land...

We’ve never homesteaded truly unoccupied land by some definitions of “unoccupied”. Depending on how far back we want to take the social justice, even Neanderthals drove out earlier pre-humans from their rightful homes, however sporadically inhabited and/or poorly defended they might’ve been. Regardless, I think it’s a horrible critique of the miserably dystopic political climate we’re in today that such plain stateme…

The comment was not factually correct since it asserted the land was unowned. It also asserted that the homesteading was zero cost. In factual reality, the land was already owned and the homesteading of that land was paid for by genocide.

There is a long history of invaders getting stuff for "zero cost", it still happens today in parts of the world more ruled by violence and law. Is this what you are nostalgic for?

Edit: Also, homesteading went on up to about 40 years ago.

Post by atweiden » Sat, May 01, 2021, 2:40 AM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #31

atweiden wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’ve never homesteaded truly unoccupied land by some definitions of “unoccupied”. Depending on how far back we want to take the social justice, even Neanderthals drove out earlier pre-humans from their rightful homes, however sporadically inhabited and/or poorly defended they might’ve been. Regardless, I think it’s a horrible critique of the miserably dystopic political climate we’re in today that such plain stateme…

The comment was not factually correct since it asserted the land was unowned. It also asserted that the homesteading was zero cost. In factual reality, the land was already owned and the homesteading of that land was paid for by genocide. There is a long history of invaders getting stuff for "zero cost", it still happens today in parts of the world more ruled by violence and law. Is this what you are nostalgic for? E…

What Neanderthals did to Homo Erectus, and what early indigenous Homo Sapien tribes did to Neanderthals; later indigenous tribes did to earlier indigenous tribes; and so on and so forth.

At no point was the land homesteaded — by indigenous tribes or otherwise — ever fully unoccupied prior, by some definition of “unoccupied”. Intelligent lifeforms had to be driven from their rightful homes by “invaders”, categorically.

Nomads in antiquity — oweing to the lack of societal advancement — could settle air quotes “unoccupied” land. This is no longer possible in the modern, advanced world where every square inch of earth is claimed by a reasonably well-organized group of (highly violent) people, at minimum. Which means nomadism in today’s world isn’t what it once was. Nomadism in antiquity might even be viewed as outright nation building; after all, every nation has to start somewhere. But nomadism in modernity — and I say this as someone with a reasonable level of experience backpacking in various countries — is really just glorified homelessness, and I think that’s a point worth making.

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