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A practical guide to reducing loneliness

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Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

#31

Very superficial advice. I don't see how small-talk with strangers can fix loneliness long term.

yeah it's just a rehash of the standard advice you always see in these kinds of articles/threads.

> Simply put, be casual, not creepy, and read the room.

this line gave me a chuckle at least. pretty sure this is the actual root of the problem for many lonely people.

here's my guide to making friends:

1. have good social skills.

2. talk to people.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

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post #29

Loneliness comes from a lack of community and people who you can trust. You will not build a community and find people who you can trust through small talk and involving yourself in groups that are based on transient interests that can be changed in an instant. There is a reason gangs and groups have some sort of hazing and acceptance ceremony.

I agree, I have never made a long standing connection with someone I've met while going to a store in a city. I've gotten to know store owners for stores I've frequented over years but not just randomly running into customers. It seems like most cities I've lived in you don't really just start talking to people randomly, maybe I'm just not very friendly but it seems like a survival instinct to avoid crazy folks.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

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post #29

Loneliness comes from a lack of community and people who you can trust. You will not build a community and find people who you can trust through small talk and involving yourself in groups that are based on transient interests that can be changed in an instant. There is a reason gangs and groups have some sort of hazing and acceptance ceremony.

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Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

#35
Semi-related: I suspect a big draw of social media is that it resembles actual human communication while also conferring a lot more control to all parties.

Vulnerability is not required. Communication is stripped of almost all of its context, and is often asynchronous. There is little expectation of any sort of real commitment. People are easily muted, unfollowed, and blocked.

In sanitizing away the messiness of real relationships, we’re left with an empty shell that puts us more in control and yet also more lonely. It would seem that we cannot simply pick and choose which aspects of relationships we want, nor can we relate to others at the scale that social media enables us to.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paywall for mostly unpaid or underpaid content creators

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When there’s a link to an ad-funded site, HN complains. When it’s to a paywalled site, HN complains.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

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post #29

Loneliness comes from a lack of community and people who you can trust. You will not build a community and find people who you can trust through small talk and involving yourself in groups that are based on transient interests that can be changed in an instant. There is a reason gangs and groups have some sort of hazing and acceptance ceremony.

This is one of the reasons I'm so quick to suggest Hackspaces to geeky adults looking for social contact. Due to the massively varied nature of activities there tends to be a couple of sub-groups that cater to your specific interests (even if it's only an interest that month) and overall tends to be a group of decent people that you can easily progress through the smalltalk phases and into actual friendships.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

#38

Very superficial advice. I don't see how small-talk with strangers can fix loneliness long term.

That's how virtually every friendship starts, isn't it?

Never. Friendship comes from spending regular unstructured time with other people. It’s very hard to make real friends on purpose.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paywall for mostly unpaid or underpaid content creators

In Medium's defense, the idea is that, if you want to go ad-free while still being able to pay content creators anything at all, you need some other revenue source, and, as far as I can tell, the only other option that's seen any success at scale is paywalls. There's a pretty direct in, in one breath, complaining about paying for authors' work, and also complaining that authors don't get paid enough for their work. (…

The closest analogy I can think of right now is panhandling.

It isn't a solution to the problem, at best, it is a bandaid. I don't like it, but I don't want it banned. I wish I could think of something realistic and better, but can't.

At least panhandlers don't have a platform eating some large percentage of the take.

Re: A practical guide to reducing loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Medium's defense, the idea is that, if you want to go ad-free while still being able to pay content creators anything at all, you need some other revenue source, and, as far as I can tell, the only other option that's seen any success at scale is paywalls. There's a pretty direct in, in one breath, complaining about paying for authors' work, and also complaining that authors don't get paid enough for their work. (…

When there’s a link to an ad-funded site, HN complains. When it’s to a paywalled site, HN complains.

That shouldn't really be a surprise, or even criticism-worthy. "HN" isn't a single mind, it's a website where $BIGNUM people with myriad different opinions and takes on things all run their mouths, usually pseudonymously.
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