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Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

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Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

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My understanding used to be that this will not change much on an immediate basis since the nano-particle delivery system + its manufacturing chain are quite complicated and not easily scalable. Does anyone know if this is not the case?

Well it won't have much of an effect unless they price the vaccine exorbitantly. So you can also view this as a binding promise to keep margins reasonable.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

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post #4

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/moderna-patents-covid-19-... "Moderna’s Pledge Not to Enforce the Patents on Their COVID-19 Vaccine Is Worthless" tldr...all the good stuff are trade secrets.

That article> This “invulnerable exclusivity” is harmless enough when it protects secret soda formulas and hamburger mystery sauces. It’s less cute when it blocks countries from using their legal right to manufacture and import lifesaving medicines. This is introduced as if random countries have an established legal (rather than moral) right to manufacture these items covered by patent. I wasn’t able to find (in the…

The entire point of the article is that even when patents are expired (or temporarily waived in the case of the Moderna vaccine), the inventions in them still cannot be manufactured by others because the patent does not contain anywhere close to all of the required information.

There is certainly a legal right to manufacture things that are not currently under patent.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

#34
A critical view of this pledge, separately posted on HN:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/moderna-patents-covid-19-...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26941571

TL;DR: Patents these days are effectively worthless at reproducing the invention, they only function as a legal way to stop competitors.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

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post #4

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/moderna-patents-covid-19-... "Moderna’s Pledge Not to Enforce the Patents on Their COVID-19 Vaccine Is Worthless" tldr...all the good stuff are trade secrets.

That article seems to just assume that Moderna are acting in bad faith there, without a lot of evidence. Certainly if they wanted to be obstructive they still could be, but the article-writer doesn't prove it either way.

I'd be interested to know if that's been tested. For example, have any other companies or countries proposed making the Moderna vaccine at all? And what happened? Co-operation? Grudging support? Full-on obstruction?

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

#36

I know making a vaccine is a little different than making strawberry jam, but why is there so little supply of the Moderna vaccine given this situation?

Seems like it it very common in the Mountain West region. Especially at the start, it seemed like far more Moderna than Pfizer. Now it seems about equal.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

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post #26

This looks like a good gesture from Moderna, but I do not think it will be of much help for most the developing world since the low temperatures needed for the storage of the vaccine are not feasible for the distribution infrastructure of these countries.

Use on delivery should at least be workable in more populated areas.

The shippers work for short term storage ( I expect that's why my county had a delivery of Pfizer early and not another since).

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

#38
post #4

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/moderna-patents-covid-19-... "Moderna’s Pledge Not to Enforce the Patents on Their COVID-19 Vaccine Is Worthless" tldr...all the good stuff are trade secrets.

This quickly turns into criticizing Moderna for using their full technical capacity supporting business partners instead of everybody. There isn't infinite capacity to share knowledge and it's unlikely that they are short on potential partners.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

#39
post #4

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/moderna-patents-covid-19-... "Moderna’s Pledge Not to Enforce the Patents on Their COVID-19 Vaccine Is Worthless" tldr...all the good stuff are trade secrets.

While I agree with the author that most companies don't disclose their crown jewels in patents, I disagree with the historical perspective that this is somewhat new. Moreover, the author misses the point, in that while patents really don't disclose most of the secrets, they still pose a significant threat to anyone replicating some of the methods, exactly because they are so broad.

So yes the patents don't disclose how to actually produce the vaccines, but that's actually not the problem (see the published work where people already reverse engineered the vaccines). The problem is that patents still prevent people knowledgable in the field from actually making vaccines, because of the threat of expensive litigation.

Re: Moderna waiving Intellectual Property rights for the remainder of the pandemic (2020)

#40
post #8

That's quite big (and great) news. Many people have been arguing that this should be done so that labs in e.g. India could legally produce the vaccine in particular for countries outside the rich western countries. This is also much in the interest of the rich western countries, because quicker immunization worldwide reduces the risk of new mutations. Let's see if the others will follow.

October 8, 2020

Yes I had not heard about it before, I guess we see if there will be any actual effects of this.
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