I thought maybe people getting blood clots and dropping like flies in parking lots would be more worrying than not getting enough but ok..
EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
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Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#32A couple of months ago Politico also reported that the EU had waived its right to sue in the AZ contract[1], so what gives? Would it kill Politico to give some additional context when a story seems to blatantly contradict its own reporting? [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-c...
Apples vs oranges comparison you made, they probably given indemnity in case of unknown sideefects as other vaccines were given in europe, us etc
This seems to be a contractual dispute.
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's split: Hesitation is for sure here, on the other hand plenty people in age ranges its not recommended for here decide to get it anyways. (Here in Germany its not recommended for <60, but not forbidden to be used)
Yes, but if anything should happen to you because of a non-recommended vaccine you are on your own for treatment and disability pay.
in the US maybe?
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#34> the point of the legal proceedings is to make it mandatory for AstraZeneca to provide the doses set out in its EU contract The point of a contract is always that fulfilling the contract is mandatory. That said, legal proceedings won't make anything go faster any more than other attempts at what sounds like plan economy.
As far as I understand it the levels of what “mandatory” mean were different in the Uk contract to the eu one.
So it’s not quite true that that’s always the point, there are shades of gray which is exactly where this went wrong.
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#35To be honest here in Ireland where majority of vaccinations have been Pfizer people seemed to stop caring about AZ and there is a sizeable chunk of people who are refusing AZ (my own elderly parents and their siblings really scared now and in despair) due to issues recently highlighted (dont shoot messenger, imho risks are small but i can see why some might be hesitant when alternatives are/will be available) I say t…
> UK where politicians wrapped the vaccine in union jack and hitched it to Brexit bandwagon for jignoistic reasons
Something I have learnt from the whole AZ business is how much media bias affects your thought process, even on topics which appear to be reported relatively neutrally.
Here in the UK, the implicit messaging I've picked up from the media is that EU politicians have been briefing against AZ in order to discredit Brexit. One (fairly similar) country over, and you've received entirely the opposite message.
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm still waiting too see long term effects of all adenovirus based vaccines. I'm kinda estimating there to be an increased risk of strokes overall. But I'm constantly baffled at Germany's vaccine response. Remember that Pfizer's vaccine is developed by the German company and that the president of the European commission used to be Germany's Minister of Family/Labour and Defense. But in a way that's a result of their…
Adenovirus vaccines are extremely common. You must be anti vax?
What a seriously fucked up response to personally attack someone that made a statement based on existing research that YOU don't know about, just because YOU decided to divide the world into two people. Those that YOU think agree (which you conveniently labeled vaxers) and those that YOU disagree with. Not only that, but you don't even have the balls to actually use your account to write that incendiary comment.
It's fascinating that you dare say that given that I my content completely disproves your BS when I mentioned the BioNTech vaccine in the same paragraph.
This kind of sick narrative is exactly what made Trumps following grow so much. You are the two sides of the exact same coin that led to the hundreds of thousands of dead in the US.
"This platelet loss induced by Ad5 corresponded with increases in coagulation D-dimer levels, splenomegaly, and, later, production of megakaryocytes in the bone marrow. In contrast, these responses were blunted or ablated after injection of Ad-PEG. Ad5 activated both platelets and endothelial cells directly in vitro as evidenced by induction of P-selectin and the formation of von Willebrand factor-platelet strings and in vivo as evidenced by the induction of E-selectin messenger RNA"
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#37To be honest here in Ireland where majority of vaccinations have been Pfizer people seemed to stop caring about AZ and there is a sizeable chunk of people who are refusing AZ (my own elderly parents and their siblings really scared now and in despair) due to issues recently highlighted (dont shoot messenger, imho risks are small but i can see why some might be hesitant when alternatives are/will be available) I say t…
I'm still waiting too see long term effects of all adenovirus based vaccines. I'm kinda estimating there to be an increased risk of strokes overall. But I'm constantly baffled at Germany's vaccine response. Remember that Pfizer's vaccine is developed by the German company and that the president of the European commission used to be Germany's Minister of Family/Labour and Defense. But in a way that's a result of their…
Arrogance. No. It is very simple: Germany does not have the concept of "National Security" and does not act like that. Germany has many big pharmaceuticals in the country. But guess what: We Germans searched a solution in a European context. We tried to not only vaccinate all of us but also everyone around us. We are exporting the shots all over the world (Canada as an example is supplied by Germany and not by the US).
And that European bureaucracy (consider spending taxpayers money) is screwing things (once in a while) up, is not a new thing.
I would call it naive and not arrogant.
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#38Sorry if this is considered off-topic, but I mus thave surely missed something about why AstraZeneca is seemingly the only choice on the vaccine market. I am German, we developed the Pfizer vaccine, but there is _no_ news about it, it seems like the AZ vaccine is the only option. Is it a case that Pfizer wasn't viable, wasn't used here, or only made lucrative contracts with other countries, or is it being used, quiet…
What? The Biontech-vaccine is mentioned all the time in news about vaccination progress and vaccine distribution. I really wonder how you could have gotten the impression that it isn't used.
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the other vaccines also slightly elevate the chance of blood clotting. To less than the elevation caused by the contraceptive pill.
The way I understood it these blood clots are a different kind of blood clot, and almost always deadly. But the amounts of "accepted" blood clots with the contraceptive pill are quite horrific.
The vaccine clots killed 19/76 cases or something like that in the last report, so not exactly “always deadly”
Re: EU preparing legal case against AstraZeneca over vaccine shortfalls
#40> the point of the legal proceedings is to make it mandatory for AstraZeneca to provide the doses set out in its EU contract The point of a contract is always that fulfilling the contract is mandatory. That said, legal proceedings won't make anything go faster any more than other attempts at what sounds like plan economy.
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