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Software Infrastructure 2.0: A Wishlist

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Re: Software Infrastructure 2.0: A Wishlist

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Post by bob1029 »

edoceo wrote: post #25
bob1029 wrote: post #2

I love the test-in-production illustration. This is a fairly accurate map of my journey as well. I vividly remember scolding our customers about how they needed a staging environment that was a perfect copy of production so we could guarantee a push to prod would be perfect every time. We still have that customer but we have learned a very valuable & expensive lesson. Being able to test in production is one of the mo…

you still have unit tests and similar right? and maybe test in a staging env lightly first? or, right to Live?

Yes we have a 2 stage process with the customer. There is still a test & production environment, but test talks to all production business systems too. Only a few people are allowed into this environment. We test with 1-5 users for a few days then decide to take it to the broader user base.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

So, XorNot, do you want to run a YC startup? You've got an idea to run with.

But, if you're going to run with it, can you make it as fast as a "real" database on a cloud instance?

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Post by klintcho »

stadium wrote: post #28
XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

There is AWS aurora serverless https://aws.amazon.com/rds/aurora/serverless/

I know this perspective is not relevant for most companies: But for side-projects and a-like the cold-start time for Aurora is like 15 - 30 seconds, and the first query always times out. Having it always on (if just 1 "compute") will cost you 30 USD a month. I'm hoping for Aurora to eventually be closer to DynamoDB pricing and startup (I'm fine with 5 - 10 second cold start as long as it doesn't time out the first request everytime.)

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XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

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Post by paxys »

XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

All cloud providers offer exactly what you are describing, just not for SQL DBs.

In my experience shared servers for MySQL (and I assume Postgres) never work because I always have to set at least some custom configurations very early into the development cycle.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

mikewarot wrote: post #27

Virtualization eventually will be seen as the unnecessary layer added to make up for operating systems that lack capability based security. It's going to take a decade to refactor things to remove that layer. Once done, you'll be able to safely run a process against a list of resources.

Agreed 100%, but you still are going to get the old-timers who insist that virtualization and containers just make things more difficult and that their old school approach is the best.

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Post by dragonwriter »

XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

> Basically, why isn't there just a Postgres-protocol socket I connect to as a user that will make tables on demand for me? No upfront sizing or provisioning, just bill me for what I'm using at some rate which covers your costs and colocate/shared host/whatever it onto the type of server hardware which can respond to that demand.

How isn’t RDS Aurora Serverless from AWS, available in both MySQL-and Postgres-compatible flavors, exactly what you are looking for?

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Post by tdeck »

XorNot wrote: post #24

Some of this I agree with, even if the overall is to me asking for "magic" (I wouldn't mind trying to get there though). For me the one I really want is "serverless" SQL databases. On every cloud platform at the moment, whatever cloud SQL thing they're offering is really obviously MySQL or Postgres on some VMs under the hood. The provisioning time is the same, the way it works is the same, the outage windows are the…

Google Cloud offers Spanner, which is a proprietary distributed database that uses SQL. Does that fit with the kind of thing you're thinking of?

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Post by sebmellen »

anurag wrote: post #5

Testing in 'production' has been possible for a while: Heroku has Review Apps, and Render (where I work) has Preview Environments [1] that spin up a high-fidelity isolated copy of your production stack on every PR and tear it down when you're done. [1] https://render.com/docs/preview-environments

Hey, a question about Render — do you run your own base infra/colocate or do you use a VPS/bare metal setup or do you sit on top of a cloud? I love the service but I’m wondering if you’ll expand outside of the two available regions anytime soon. I understand this might be hard based on your infra setup.

Re: Software Infrastructure 2.0: A Wishlist

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Post by asim »

Been there. Dreamed that. Built my ideal experience -> https://m3o.com

Honestly I've spent the better part of a decade talking about these things and if only someone would solve it or I had the resources to do it myself. I'm sure it'll happen. It's just going to look different than we thought. GitHub worked because it was collaborative and I think the next cloud won't look like an AWS, it'll look more like a social graph that just happens to be about building and running software. This graph only exists inside your company right now. In the future it'll exist as a product.

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