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Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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That would be totally illegal in Germany, and most of the EU. Not only the employee tracking and forcing them to install anything on their private devices, but also the data collection and not disclosing what is collected, where, and how long, and not implementing an automatic deletion.

Most of the employement practices in NA would be illegal in the EU. It seems really bad over there.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ”the very same people that are now complaining about these measures were the same that enabled it in the first place” Wage workers? No. That’s just false. I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to say but it’s wrong. This is just another appearance of the same class warfare that drives slavery. Working people didn’t ask for this any more than slaves asked for slavery.

Wage workers? No. That’s just false. I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to say but it’s wrong. This is just another appearance of the same class warfare that drives slavery. Working people didn’t ask for this any more than slaves asked for slavery. I remember, because it was only a few years ago, companies would allocate anyone who needed one a BlackBerry. Any work calls would come to that device, you would use…

>It actually was ordinary workers who said, hey, I would much prefer to have the company take over my own personal device for this

Don't remember this. I remember the opposite.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#33
How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll.

The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable.

How else would a company know for certain that the employee who was supposed to clean a client premise actually went there?

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#34
https://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/

>> This website details the design and construction Wave Bubble: a self-tuning, wide-bandwidth portable RF jammer. The device is lightweight and small for easy camouflaging: it is the size of a pack of cigarettes.

>> An internal lithium-ion battery provides up to 2 hours of jamming (two bands, such as cell) or 4 hours (single band, such as cordless phone, GPS, WiFi, bluetooth, etc). The battery is rechargeable via a mini-USB connector or 4mm DC jack (a common size).

>> Output power is .1W (high bands) and .3W (low bands). Effective range is approximately 20' radius with well-tuned antennas.

Obviously jamming GPS is not really a solution to this problem. However, as hostile use of GPS grows, building something like a Wave Bubble seems increasingly useful.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#35

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

You can get this sort of satisfaction for much less money. Try a Volla phone [1] or a KaiOS based phone [2]. That's always funny when some services assume that just having an iOS or Android App (and no equivalent web-page) is enough to cater to everyone. Especially in the corona-virus crisis it will prove interesting whether some mandated "contact tracing" or "vaccination pass" style Apps are going to effectively tur…

Is the DHL app really necessary or can you fallback to SMS? Got an Android, so no problem for me, but I'm wondering...

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#36
post #7

We need to stop building a world without trust. Always checking, ensuring, surveilling (,mining on a blockchain), this is anti-human and will only lead to unhappiness, burnout, depression. It's no way to live unless we want to be like the Borg eventually.

Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.

Not sure why people downvote you. This stage is clearly happening. People go to prison for just retweets or a comment in social networks. And how many high rank officials are actually compromised? It's clear and every day it's worse.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#37

How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll. The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable. How else…

Yeah a time clock isn’t a spy in your pocket 24/7.

If you aren’t paying for a separate work phone you can straight up fuck off with any requests for things i do with my phone, especially for the purposes of tracking my location.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#38

I would like to see the employer reaction if someone has a Librem phone or any non Android/iOS mobile. Yet it's +800$ for this short satisfaction.

They'd just force you to buy one (if evil) / issue a cheap one from company (if friendly). Up to a couple of years ago I didn't have a (modern) smartphone, I had a Symbian Samsung and a LG Cookie. Had to upgrade because the canteen payment scrapped their "prepay credit" payment mechanism based on ID and would just take a live-generated-in-browser QR code instead. There was basically no cost to still support the old s…

If the employer provides a work phone for that purpose which may be turned off unless the employee is working, I have less of a problem with it.

It's the offloading of cost and the (potential) encroachment into the employees private life that seems most problematic.

Aside from this it's the usual paranoia that some employers always had more then enough of. The company may or may not benefit from this kind of tracking and ultimately only legislative action / worker representation (unions) can limit the extent.

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

#39

How is this any different to clocking in manually at your workplace? A lot of companies ask their employees to clock in and out at a terminal when they enter the office. For roster adherence and for payroll. The article clearly states it only starts tracking when the employee enters a specific geo-fence. In a Covid world with remote collaboration between teams something like this sounds perfectly reasonable. How else…

Through trust and through the client complaining that no one showed up? In other words, how did the world ever work before smartphones?

Re: Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

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post #34

https://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/ >> This website details the design and construction Wave Bubble: a self-tuning, wide-bandwidth portable RF jammer. The device is lightweight and small for easy camouflaging: it is the size of a pack of cigarettes. >> An internal lithium-ion battery provides up to 2 hours of jamming (two bands, such as cell) or 4 hours (single band, such as cordless phone, GPS , WiFi, bluetooth…

Be very careful, jamming certain things is absolutely illegal in some countries.
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