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Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by dragonelite »

KoftaBob wrote: post #29
llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

Going by this logic, why doesn't the US kneecap European, South Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese companies that are competitive with US companies in those industries? They key difference (outside of China being more adversarial in general) is that Chinese companies like Huawei blatantly steal IP from companies in those countries to make their tech. Also, Huawei is essentially an arm of China's intelligence apparatus, s…

Just because a company is located in Europe, south Korea, japan etc doesn't mean its a European, south Korean, Japanese etc company.

Look into their supply lines you will find that the core components are most likely US made so they have those companies by their balls. Or look into ownership breakdown might be that big US finance pretty much owns the companies voting wise.

Took ASML the core component the light source is a US product, with out that product ASML can't produce their EUV devices.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by KoftaBob »

dragonelite wrote: post #31
KoftaBob wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going by this logic, why doesn't the US kneecap European, South Korean, Japanese, or Taiwanese companies that are competitive with US companies in those industries? They key difference (outside of China being more adversarial in general) is that Chinese companies like Huawei blatantly steal IP from companies in those countries to make their tech. Also, Huawei is essentially an arm of China's intelligence apparatus, s…

Just because a company is located in Europe, south Korea, japan etc doesn't mean its a European, south Korean, Japanese etc company. Look into their supply lines you will find that the core components are most likely US made so they have those companies by their balls. Or look into ownership breakdown might be that big US finance pretty much owns the companies voting wise. Took ASML the core component the light sourc…

Interesting, where can I read about this light source that’s a US-made product?

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by throw4738 »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #18

>Huawei Cloud became China's second-largest cloud services provider in the fourth quarter of 2020, growing its Chinese market share to 17.4%, according to data from research company Canalys. This marked a sharp contrast to the fourth quarter of 2019, when Huawei Cloud was not in the top three. They entered a market dominated by 3 players (Alibaba, Tencent, Baidu) and went from not even on the list to 2nd place with 1…

Did they made any profit? Was there some path towards profitability?

》 revenue generated by Huawei Cloud grew 168% year on year.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by dragonelite »

KoftaBob wrote: post #32
dragonelite wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a company is located in Europe, south Korea, japan etc doesn't mean its a European, south Korean, Japanese etc company. Look into their supply lines you will find that the core components are most likely US made so they have those companies by their balls. Or look into ownership breakdown might be that big US finance pretty much owns the companies voting wise. Took ASML the core component the light sourc…

Interesting, where can I read about this light source that’s a US-made product?

In 2012 ASML took over the San Diego based CYMER which creates the light source for ASML EUV machines.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by castroliu »

cyrksoft wrote: post #14
krageon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.`

I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders got banished if found evidence valid, the reality is, the government is doing good for its people, if you shouting out lies and creating chaos in public, you will be stopped and condemned first by Chinese people, and any government in the world would be standing out, as it's their duty to do so.

While people here only want to hear what they want to hear, no matter how I explained, it seems pointless, just one last comments, I'm here because I have free life in China, and I have opportunities to study, work freely, less politics, more about myself development, and studying abroad, learning to be open, cooperate with people, respect different culture, and don't make any comments on something that I don't know/understand, put peace ahead, if you are rich and strong, its your responsibility to help the weak and poor, otherwise, take good care of yourself etc. You see, those values are taught and advocated widely and are the basics in any education level in China, and this won't happen without a government guide its people. Anyway, please next time when you read news(mainly media from USA, and its allies, UK, Canada, AUS) about China, just pause a second, and think with your own mind, don't take everything they say, that's it.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by severino »

zeb88 wrote: post #3
llampx wrote: post #2

I feel sad somehow. Huawei was the only company which was going toe-to-toe against Google and Apple in the AI space. I saw it in their phones, which were better than many others, and had even better computational photography than Pixels of the same generation, in my opinion. Combined with their chip design expertise - they were making chips that were as good or better than the Snapdragons, its clear why the US needed…

The issue is that it's a government owned entity, one that's totalitarian, genocidal and their technologies are largely stolen.

That may be an issue for you. For me (and for most people) it wasn't when I bought my Moto G or my current iPhone.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by 0xFFC »

castroliu wrote: post #35
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

As Iranian I cannot agree with you more. Same goes with Iran. Western mainstream media has become as corrupt as it gets!

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by hungryhobo »

castroliu wrote: post #35
cyrksoft wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in your view, every government in the world is totalitarian and genocidal? How can you compare the Chinese government, a dictatorship, with most democratic governments from western countries? Of course some governments do bad things, but tell me something genocidal the US government or Canadian government or any EU country is currently doing. There is no logical way to compare the Chinese government with any othe…

` People in China aren’t free and can’t do anything unless the CCP dictators let them.` I'm Chinese, I feel assaulted when westerners say anything closer to it, how brainwashed they are and how corrupted your media is. The truth is, human are the same, China is huge, nothing is perfect, but of course people are free living in China, if the government corrupted, there are various way to report, and the local leaders g…

As a chinese, I'm also amused when Americans are so adamant about something they know so little about. Somehow chinese that have been exposed to both western and chinese media is gonna be more brainwashed than those that only read western sources

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by sudosysgen »

cyrksoft wrote: post #19
Ceezy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slavery /native american genocide, Philippine colonisation, no reason whatsoever to attack Iraq...

Except for recent and pointless wars (mostly US here) you mention things that are more than 100 years old... China does all those things today. Your point makes no sense whatsoever.

The point is that the factors that led to these crimes are all still there. Were the circumstances to arise again there is scarce doubt history would rhyme or repeat.

Re: Huawei deactivates AI and cloud business group in restructuring

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Post by qiqing »

dgellow wrote: post #7
iamgopal wrote: post #5

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They were stealing the talent.

You mean, paying them well?

Sometimes, paying people well goes hand in hand with opportunities for growth. The "bamboo ceiling," which is similar to the "glass ceiling" is a source of frustration for some technical employees who find themselves stuck.

Diversity and inclusion programs at most companies tend to focus on every demographic bias except for the bamboo ceiling.

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