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Now That Everyone Wants to Be a Geek, Lawyers Have Been Called

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Re: Now That Everyone Wants to Be a Geek, Lawyers Have Been Called

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Yeah, but it's a term that's used differently by the mainstream than by hackers, so you'd be constantly explaining yourself to avoid misperception. Constantly explaining what you mean is fatally geeky. It's better to use a word people don't know and only explain if they ask.

it's a term that's used differently by the mainstream than by hackers Exactly like "geek". It used to be an insult.

With "geek" it's a matter of emphasis. The prototype is the same, but it's generalized differently. To a lame-o mainstream person, geek just means a frumpy, weird, socially unsuccessful, and possibly smelly person, but to a geek, it's all about pursuing interests in a particular way. Both definitions include a common group of core prototype geeks who look and act a little weird and have an obsessive interest science fiction and/or fantasy. In the lame-o jock douche (pardon me; showing my prejudices) definition, those prototype geeks get lumped in with all the frumpy, weird, socially unsuccessful, and possibly smelly people, which includes many people with intellectual disabilities, whereas by the cool geek definition, they get lumped in with anybody who is passionate about their interests to the point of being regarded as a little weird, which includes many geniuses in diverse fields. The difference can be summed up by asking, is Milhouse a geek ("I'm not a nerd, Bart. Nerds are smart,") or was Einstein a geek? They're different generalizations from the same prototype.

For the mainstream, the prototype hacker is someone who does something nefarious over the internet with no regard for any damage he or she might do. That's not the same prototype we have in mind when we say "hacker." We include those guys with a certain amount of reluctance and distaste. To us, the prototype hacker is somebody like Richard Stallman, the Richard Feynman of Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman or What Do You Care What Other People Think, or the folks who perpetrated the classic MIT hacks (http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/misc/best_of.html). Most people wouldn't even understand why we include those guys unless we explained.

Re: Now That Everyone Wants to Be a Geek, Lawyers Have Been Called

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Hacker. It's still a term that's viewed negatively by mainstream, so you're unlikely to see "Hacker Squad" signs.

But 'everyone' wants to be a hacker these days too. Read the top left corner of this website. We fought for a decade to redefine the word in the eyes of the public, and yet its quickly become defined as most any person interested in startup culture.

Loads of people want to be hackers, but that doesn't mean it's something Respectible Society would aspire to. Can you see a politican at a "Hacker Pride" event, or talking about how great hackers (not geeks, hackers) are?

Re: Now That Everyone Wants to Be a Geek, Lawyers Have Been Called

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The priest thing seems more legit to me than the Newegg thing. The priests were deliberately trying to "cash in"[1] on similarity between their brand and the Geek Squad brand, whereas Newegg was just trying to use the positive associations between the work "geek" (which Best Buy doesn't own) and computer buying. [1] - Personally I think there should be accommodations for the fact that it's non-commercial.

Yeah, because as we all know, that priests are all about raking in the Benjamins.

I'm not saying it makes for a good lawsuit or that Best Buy aren't dicks for pursuing it, but "God Squad" in a black-and-white car that's the same model as the Geek Squad car is sort of leaning on the brand at least.

Re: Now That Everyone Wants to Be a Geek, Lawyers Have Been Called

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Yeah, because as we all know, that priests are all about raking in the Benjamins.

I'm not saying it makes for a good lawsuit or that Best Buy aren't dicks for pursuing it, but "God Squad" in a black-and-white car that's the same model as the Geek Squad car is sort of leaning on the brand at least.

Is it confusing to you, as a consumer?
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