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Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by [deleted] »

krapp wrote: post #21
p1necone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably slavish dedication to historical accuracy. Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? I personally wouldn't want a seemingly historically accurate (ish) game to present the churches of the age as being okay with same sex marriage when they weren't. Although being able to toggle it on in the settings would be cool.

>Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? No Christian cultures, obviously.

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Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by flatiron »

josefx wrote: post #22
mabbo wrote: post #2

It seems odd to me. Paradox is a Swedish company, and Sweden is a fairly liberal country. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2009, and even the Church of Sweden gave the go-ahead on performing same-sex marriages the same year. The game logic around this is simple enough that changing two byes fixes it, so it's not a technical issue. What gives?

Take a look at the screenshot of that same sex marriage, do you notice something odd? The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. The patch only disables the gender check, it does not fix the game content or any other logic related to marriage. There are probably dozens of follow up bugs waiting, some of which will need new game logic and art to fix.

I just can’t fathom they couldn’t see this coming.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by psychtrauma »

mabbo wrote: post #2

It seems odd to me. Paradox is a Swedish company, and Sweden is a fairly liberal country. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2009, and even the Church of Sweden gave the go-ahead on performing same-sex marriages the same year. The game logic around this is simple enough that changing two byes fixes it, so it's not a technical issue. What gives?

Occam's razor suggests to me that some people in the design process defined marriage as being strictly between a man and a woman, and nobody else cared enough to change this.

It doesn't fill me with joy that a 2020 game would make that choice.

Also the choice to have characters default to open homophobia, and for that to be used as a positive in promotional material, is not an indicator of a gay-friendly organisation.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by busterarm »

maxander wrote: post #25
sudosysgen wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crusader Kings III has you live on as your daughter/son when you die. As there is no adoption mechanic, same-sex relationships will lead to a game over unless you are one of the few countries that can use the House Seniority mechanic. So I guess they never got around to implementing adoption. Banning though...? That was weird.

> So I guess they never got around to implementing adoption. If you think about this, it seems pretty obvious the reason they didn’t include adoption was that it’s overpowered . The CK series is all about managing dynasties, so the randomness of reproduction is a major game mechanic, one of the primary sources of problems and challenges. Adoption would totally negate all of that. Like, if Henry VIII could just have a…

It's the same reason as adoption.

You have the ability to arrange marriages as King or Queen. Just as if you could adopt, you could dilute the power of your enemies by arranging same-sex marriages that can have no legal heir.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by kergonath »

krapp wrote: post #21
p1necone wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably slavish dedication to historical accuracy. Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? I personally wouldn't want a seemingly historically accurate (ish) game to present the churches of the age as being okay with same sex marriage when they weren't. Although being able to toggle it on in the settings would be cool.

>Although were there really no cultures in that era that allowed same sex marriage? No Christian cultures, obviously.

Was there any historical culture in which same-sex marriage was common or accepted? I can’t think of one, Christian or otherwise (though I can think of a couple of examples of same-sex people got married by subterfuge).

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by brailsafe »

psychtrauma wrote: post #33
mabbo wrote: post #2

It seems odd to me. Paradox is a Swedish company, and Sweden is a fairly liberal country. Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2009, and even the Church of Sweden gave the go-ahead on performing same-sex marriages the same year. The game logic around this is simple enough that changing two byes fixes it, so it's not a technical issue. What gives?

Occam's razor suggests to me that some people in the design process defined marriage as being strictly between a man and a woman, and nobody else cared enough to change this. It doesn't fill me with joy that a 2020 game would make that choice. Also the choice to have characters default to open homophobia, and for that to be used as a positive in promotional material, is not an indicator of a gay-friendly organisation…

But don't forget about Hanlon's razor.

I don't play Crusader Kings, was more curious about the technical bit, but it would be a shame to not be able to release what seems like a quazi-historical game with fairly different cultural norms by default.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by Rebelgecko »

ttt0 wrote: post #26
p1necone wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were me I'd just let same sex couples impregnate each other, regardless of sex. Sounds like a hoot.

I'd also add furries and dragonkins while we're at it, because why not, it might as well be a fantasy game

CK2 let put a horse named Glitterhoof on your council and then have sex with it, so that would be par for the course.

Re: Legalizing gay marriage in Crusader Kings III with Ghidra

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Post by COGlory »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #38
ttt0 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also add furries and dragonkins while we're at it, because why not, it might as well be a fantasy game

CK2 let put a horse named Glitterhoof on your council and then have sex with it, so that would be par for the course.

Was it ever clear if Glitterhoof was real, or a hallucination?
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