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Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by cletus »

krona wrote: post #20
onethought wrote: post #11

Imagine a country that locked up over 2 million people of a particular ethnic background[0]. Then when challenged about it ran propaganda about it being necessary. When activists rose up in peaceful protest they were assassinated[1]. And we sit idly by. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luth... .

Quite. And anyone of German nationality doesn't have a leg to stand on! Let's not even start with the Turks.

I spent almost a year in Germany and one thing I learned, and really appreciated, was that they were open and honest about the Holocaust and their role in it. It’s taught in schools. It’s never brushed over.

Compared to say Japan.

EDIT: not sure why the downvotes. Japan's whitewashing of war atrocities (eg Nanjing [1][2]). Is this Japanophilia? Or just that I'm not denouncing the current German education system?

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

[2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #6
hutzlibu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Doing business with those force drafted henchmen kept in with mafia methods, makes you a criminal." So block any trade with china?

So block any trade with nazi-germany? The biggest engineering hub of the world? Who control whole europe? So sanction the USSR? The whole eastern block? What sort of question is this?

Oh and it seems I forgot, that this is a nationalism inducing topic. My point was, if you would base trade on countries that follow strictly basic humitarian rights - there would be not many options left.

So if you actually want that - maybe do so based on clear criterias. Now what whould those criterias be?

- funding and supporting of terrorism?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Involvement in overthrown democratic elected governemnts?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...

use of Torture?

etc.

If you try to make things simple, do so consequently and see how that works out. Usually not too well.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by leereeves »

Veen wrote: post #13
PicassoCTs wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So block any trade with nazi-germany? The biggest engineering hub of the world? Who control whole europe? So sanction the USSR? The whole eastern block? What sort of question is this?

But would refusing to trade with China improve the life of the average Chinese person? Would it free the economic slaves you're concerned about, or would it force hundreds of millions of people into poverty? What you suggest sounds nice in principle, but it would devastate the Chinese economy and most Western economies too. Sometimes, there is no good choice, no principled stand that doesn't make the world worse. Wit…

As China continues to expand they make more people's lives worse, as we saw recently in Hong Kong, not so long ago in Tibet, and may soon see in Taiwan.

That expansion is fueled by trade. So even if you're right that refusing to trade with China would not improve the life of the average Chinese person, it might improve the lives of people near China.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by luckylion »

KMag wrote: post #22
krona wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite. And anyone of German nationality doesn't have a leg to stand on! Let's not even start with the Turks.

... and the conclusion should be that we all encourage each other to become better and pressure our governments to make better laws. A flawed past is the worst excuse against striving for a better future.

It does feel a lot like it would be better if we tried to become better rather than encouraging others. There's plenty of room for improvement everywhere, but something about specks, eyes and beams.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by Supermancho »

hutzlibu wrote: post #16
koonsolo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know who the founder of the PRC is, right? If not, it's Mao, maybe that name rings a bell. Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

> how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

China's very prolific in using soldiers, to kill people, in the national interest. Similarly, the US and China both engage in large scale violence to promote their culture. A difference is that China's actions are performed within their borders (more or less) and are not as highly publicized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong, etc

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by ekianjo »

hutzlibu wrote: post #16
koonsolo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know who the founder of the PRC is, right? If not, it's Mao, maybe that name rings a bell. Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

It does not need to be worse than the nazis to be considered bad. What kind of a ridiculous argument is that ?

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

leereeves wrote: post #34
Veen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But would refusing to trade with China improve the life of the average Chinese person? Would it free the economic slaves you're concerned about, or would it force hundreds of millions of people into poverty? What you suggest sounds nice in principle, but it would devastate the Chinese economy and most Western economies too. Sometimes, there is no good choice, no principled stand that doesn't make the world worse. Wit…

As China continues to expand they make more people's lives worse, as we saw recently in Hong Kong, not so long ago in Tibet, and may soon see in Taiwan. That expansion is fueled by trade. So even if you're right that refusing to trade with China would not improve the life of the average Chinese person, it might improve the lives of people near China.

So, did US recent military interventions improved life of the local people?

I really see no benefit of creating a new iron curtain. Rather the contrary.

And collective punishments usually just tighten the collective bonds. So the best way to unite the chinese people behind their government would be the "free" world uniting against china.

How did the sowjet union fall? By trade embargos?

Or that its people were finally fed up with it?

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by ekianjo »

hutzlibu wrote: post #16
koonsolo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know who the founder of the PRC is, right? If not, it's Mao, maybe that name rings a bell. Basically the same when Germany would now be ruled by the Nazi party, and you would claim they didn't really do anything bad.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

China was involved in regional conflicts like helping north korea in the korean war, one of the bloodiest wars in recent history. They were also helping the communist party in Vietnam both against the French and the US.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by Supermancho »

cletus wrote: post #31
krona wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite. And anyone of German nationality doesn't have a leg to stand on! Let's not even start with the Turks.

I spent almost a year in Germany and one thing I learned, and really appreciated, was that they were open and honest about the Holocaust and their role in it. It’s taught in schools. It’s never brushed over. Compared to say Japan. EDIT: not sure why the downvotes. Japan's whitewashing of war atrocities (eg Nanjing [1][2]). Is this Japanophilia? Or just that I'm not denouncing the current German education system? [1]:…

I went to Japan in the 90s. The amount of leftover Nazi symbols (carved everywhere, marked on city maps where old depots were, etc) and casual use of Nazi references in literature was shocking.
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