The spread of information has allowed people to form their own moralistic code and spiritual journey that doesn't rely on having an institutional infrastructure. They are choosing religions that reject elite priesthoods, a trend now going back for thousands of years starting with Zarathustra. I consider this progress.
They have chosen new religions and a new elite priesthood, they just have different names.
Gallup: U.S. church membership dips below 50% for first time
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#32For instance, in my grandparents' day, both religious affiliation and religious adherence were relatively high. In Philly, where my mom grew up, Catholic schools were practically overflowing, and parents expected that the school would supplement and support the religious upbringing they were receiving at home.
Then in the next generation, there was a shift. Religious affiliation remained relatively high, but religious adherence and attendance began to decrease. Those Catholic schools continued to bring in students, but there was a marked difference; parents who were not particular devout themselves expected that the school would replace and make up for the religious instruction that many of the kids were not receiving at home. These people might still have identified themselves as Catholic, but they weren't really actively practicing their faith.
Nowadays, Catholic schools are largely on life support, because the decrease in religious affiliation that was precipitated by the decrease in adherence/attendance has now cut down enrollment to a much smaller number of families who either have high devotion or who have low devotion but see the schools as better than the public alternatives. Parents who in the previous generation might have sent their kids to Catholic school to replace the religious instruction they weren't getting at home have instead decided to disaffiliate and not give their kids outsourced religious instruction. Whereas in previous generations, they might have continued to identify as Catholic even though they were inactive, in this generation it's much more common to just shed the identity.
Obviously, I'm just painting a small part of the picture, of Catholicism in the mid-Atlantic region. Many other parts of the country with other religious makeups have followed different patterns. But I think we can basically predict what the religious landscape is going to be like over the next generation or two by following this step-down pattern. (This assumes that religiosity will continue getting weaker, which is not necessarily a sure thing. Religious revivals have been relatively common throughout history.)
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are choosing religions that reject elite priesthoods [...] They choose no religion.
Religion is a way of life. You surely have one, it's just not very ritualistic.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are choosing religions that reject elite priesthoods [...] They choose no religion.
Religion is a way of life. You surely have one, it's just not very ritualistic.
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#35The interesting thing is people will identify as Christian on the census while also not claiming to subscribe to any particular religion in other surveys.
2021 census (just completed this month) results will be interesting
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#36first time in 80 years, anyway. for rather more of the 19th century than we think, regular church attendance was more like 35% of the country.
There's a big difference between church attendance and church membership... Unfortunately, the original linked article glosses over the difference, while the original Gallup study digs into it. According to Gallup, approximately half of the recent reduction in church membership can be attributed to people becoming less religious, while the other half is explained by people who still attend church regularly, but avoid formal "membership" in a congregation.
And, to your point, the historical data is very telling. My understanding is that the idea that basically everybody in the US used to be super religious and go to church all the time is largely a myth. In fact, I believe the high-water mark for US church attendance as a percentage of the population was actually around 1990. (Source: Sociologists of religion Rodney Stark / Roger Finke. Their book "The Churching of America" attempts to get historical stats on this question, and includes this graph: https://madeinamericathebook.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/fin...)
Take from these stats/trends what you will. Just adding some additional context to the discussion.
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#37I am impressed that numbers are that high, looking from the outside the US doesn't look particularly religious. It might be lower still, I don't think young people answer cellphone surveys all that much.
After a while a certain demographic will be "full" and as such the effort will be to get responses for the groups not adequately represented yet.
Or another way is to weigh the answers. If you get 90% responses from elderly and 10% from young, you cannot just use the average. But can use models to apply those groups' answers to how big the group is in the demographic of the country.
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#38I had a unique experience growing up in a religious family (that is very tolerant and respectful of all world religions) while simultaneously being immersed in Scientology via a private school experience. The thing that underscores all of my experiences has been hypocrisy. So many people just want to belong to a group, or were raised in it and know nothing better. They don’t practice what they preach. I can’t help bu…
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#39The spread of information has allowed people to form their own moralistic code and spiritual journey that doesn't rely on having an institutional infrastructure. They are choosing religions that reject elite priesthoods, a trend now going back for thousands of years starting with Zarathustra. I consider this progress.
They have chosen new religions and a new elite priesthood, they just have different names.
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#40I had a unique experience growing up in a religious family (that is very tolerant and respectful of all world religions) while simultaneously being immersed in Scientology via a private school experience. The thing that underscores all of my experiences has been hypocrisy. So many people just want to belong to a group, or were raised in it and know nothing better. They don’t practice what they preach. I can’t help bu…
What are you replacing this extremely important function with? Vacuum?