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Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by r3trohack3r »

paxys wrote: post #26
Waterluvian wrote: post #15

America should use the "we need to spend spend spend to revitalize the economy" to domesticate more industry.

I think a national security argument will highlight the importance and urgency a lot better.

I think National Security might have something to do with manufacturing of electronics moving outside the US. The war on crypto called for manufactures to either provide two versions of their product, or move manufacturing to a place they could export a single product: https://www.eff.org/pages/decrypting-puzzle-palace

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by jbm »

balls187 wrote: post #11
phendrenad2 wrote: post #2

Wow he really said that. Kinda stupid if you ask me, people may take it personally. This is why when you mean "We need a more distributed supply chain" you say "we need a more distributed supply chain" and don't single out a geoethnic region.

> and don't single out a geoethnic region. He didn't. Asia is a continent, and it's no different than saying the biggest consumer of hot dogs is North America. I'm Asian, fwiw.

Israel (edit: where Intel does a lot of their work) is in Asia too. In a water-limited region, at that.

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by Zenst »

Waterluvian wrote: post #15

America should use the "we need to spend spend spend to revitalize the economy" to domesticate more industry.

> "we need to spend spend spend to revitalize the economy"

Yeah, I'm showing my age but I'm reminded of a comparative ethos regarding developers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by tibbydudeza »

xiphias2 wrote: post #9

It's interesting that Pat hopes that Apple would want another supplier, but I don't see 3nm Intel fab happening in the near future.

Apple did it once before when it sourced CPU's from Samsung and TMSC for the A9 iPhone 6S using a 14 vs 16nm node processes.

But I don't see why they would do it unless there was supplier issues.

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by NobodyNada »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #17

It it Intel speak "we can't compete against TMSC/Samsung".

How is that? As the article explains, they have just announced their plans to directly compete against TSMC/Samsung as a manufacturer of chips for other companies (rather than just manufacturing their own designs).

To me, this suggests Gelsinger is confident in the company’s ability to get their 7nm-and-beyond processes back on track and become competitive once again.

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by leetcrew »

tehjoker wrote: post #30
leetcrew wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that would be good, but it would be even better to be the people that have the advantage.

I don't understand this thinking. Why would we want to impoverish others? After all, it's not like these power brokers give a shit about the American public, it's about great power competition.

first of all, I don't think "impoverish" is quite the right word. if you have a 9700k and I buy a 10900k, my cpu is faster, but your cpu is no slower than it was yesterday.

past that, I don't really understand what there is to explain. if it would be good for everyone to have $1000, it would be even better (as an individual) to have $10000. assuming you care about money/chips/whatever. if you don't it obviously doesn't matter.

edit: ah, I see what you are really asking is "why should we care who wins a power struggle among the world's elite?". I guess maybe we shouldn't, but personally I'd rather be on the winning team, even if I think the "teams" are silly.

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by tibbydudeza »

vkou wrote: post #28
Waterluvian wrote: post #15

America should use the "we need to spend spend spend to revitalize the economy" to domesticate more industry.

As a taxpayer, I'm not particularly keen in seeing my money subsidize privately owned firms. Spend-spend-spend should either be done through secured loans, or by the government receiving equity.

Sometimes the govt needs to intervene and provide resources when you want to get things done properly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_Press_Program

Re: Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

tehjoker wrote: post #23
coding123 wrote: post #19

We absolutely do need to keep the secrets for how this stuff is made local.

Why do we need to keep secrets? If chips are distributed evenly, there will be no advantage given to anyone but lots of people can reap the benefits. I don't like nationalist arguments, but I do think it is a bad idea for critical tech to be concentrated in a single place. It would be good for there to be advanced manufacturing sites on all six populated continents owned by different countries.

> Why do we need to keep secrets?

Because every geopolitical competitor is keeping their own secrets. Makes no sense to disadvantage yourself when your peer and near-peer competitors aren't.

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