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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hutzlibu »

sobriquet9 wrote: post #17
mrkramer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it is natural selection if I'm weak I will die if I'm not I will pass my genes to my kids. That's how we evolved to the level of biological machine that human body is.

You augment your memory with Google searches and your running speed with cars, why not augment your natural immune system with vaccines.

Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by timr »

There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I've seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1].

If it's true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivial, and doesn't explain the complete suppression of influenza. Any simple hypothesis involving "competitive inhibition" is likely to be wrong.

The fact that rhinovirus continues to circulate so widely should also make people at least question the dominant narrative concerning masks and respiratory viruses. But I digress...

[1] https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivi...

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by _zn02 »

guscost wrote: post #21
mrkramer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will if government requires it but it was not my free will.

Funny, I’m the opposite. I would have no significant reservations if it wasn’t for the creepy fascist vibe oozing from beneath the facade of “science”. As it stands, I’ll go to war today and die to guarantee my and your and everyone’s right to refuse, should TPTB actually try anything that stupid. Shouldn’t be a problem though, the people in favor seem to be mostly bullies making noise. They tend to shut up when you…

"I believe the vaccine works and I'll die for your right not to take it" is one hell of a take, and I'm just happy there really aren't that many of you out there.

You may want to remove the link in your profile where you express skepticism that we'll hit millions of deaths worldwide, as it's going to make people question your already questionable viewpoints even more.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by marcodiego »

hutzlibu wrote: post #31
sobriquet9 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You augment your memory with Google searches and your running speed with cars, why not augment your natural immune system with vaccines.

Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.

Antibiotics, maybe. But vaccines stimulate your immune system to produce antibodies.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by WhompingWindows »

timr wrote: post #32

There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I've seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1]. If it's true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivia…

You haven't mentioned social behavioral change in your speculation about the decimated 2020-2021 flu season. I'd wager that has a very large part in why the flu hasn't spread: everyone is socially distanced, remote, masked, extra hygienic, and extra aware of illness.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by maxrev17 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #31
sobriquet9 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You augment your memory with Google searches and your running speed with cars, why not augment your natural immune system with vaccines.

Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.

That's literally what the jab does?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hef19898 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #31
sobriquet9 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You augment your memory with Google searches and your running speed with cars, why not augment your natural immune system with vaccines.

Well, I am about to get vaccinated with astrazeneca in half an hour ... but my counter argument would be: relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak, too. Immune system needs practice, too.

Vaccines are immune system training on literal steroids. Overall I get your point so, as we see with increased allergies.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by mrkramer »

meowface wrote: post #16
mrkramer wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it is natural selection if I'm weak I will die if I'm not I will pass my genes to my kids. That's how we evolved to the level of biological machine that human body is.

But if you're not "weak", you could inadvertently spread it to someone who is "weak", and they could spread it to many other "weak" people, and then they all die and don't pass on their genes. It's true that this is a form of eugenics and natural selection, but it's not the kind that's compatible with the values of most humans.

Don't worry I'm not going to harm anyone just like Spanish flu ended in 2 years this pandemic will also end soon. I discussed months ago here on HN that looking legally causing someone's death without intent is not criminal because you had no intent of killing. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

"A person commits an offense if he: intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual."

I have no intent or knowledge that I'm going to harm anyone.

Another guy said in that discussion something like "How is this virus any different from other viruses?"

Should I blame people for spreading STDs for example? Of course not they spread it unintentionally and without knowledge in most cases.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by learnstats2 »

timr wrote: post #32

There has been a lot of (IMHO unsupported) speculation that the almost complete eradication of influenza in 2020 was due to competitive inhibition from SARS-CoV2. However, data I've seen suggests that rhinovirus is still circulating at its usual rate [1]. If it's true that rhinovirus is such a potent inhibitor of SARS-CoV2, at the very least, the interplay between SARS-CoV2 and other respiratory viruses is non-trivia…

> doesn't explain the complete suppression of influenza

Influenza isn’t infective enough to spread during the summer months anyway (i.e. it is completely suppressed), unlike rhinoviruses, so it’s easily most plausible that a few additional hygiene measures have suppressed influenza further.

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