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Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by YinglingLight »

afavour wrote: post #26
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.

It's financially lucrative for a hospital to have COVID deaths.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by groby_b »

runawaybottle wrote: post #20
auiya wrote: post #17

Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by runawaybottle »

groby_b wrote: post #33
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I'm fully for that. And when we find out that a hard lockdown would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, I hope we'll also have the guts to lock up the people who advocated against it, simply to further political goals. And try them for murder.

Let’s do it. And, if you are wrong (just the people that really couldn’t paint Covid into it’s proper form and let it metastasize into a boogeyman disease), tax everyone to help pay for all the businesses that had to close or people that had to lose jobs.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by YinglingLight »

afavour wrote: post #19
simonh wrote: post #5

Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…

> This is a real-life example of the runaway railcar switch dilemma. The train car is heading towards a crowd of millions of people and will plough through the middle of them killing many hundreds, or you can throw the switch and divert the railcar so it hits a handful of people prone to the blood clot reaction. In this situation it's not that much of a dilemma, though. It's not as if those prone to blood clots are n…

>everyone is at risk from COVID

Yet the majority of the population are not at risk for significant health complications from COVID. The question remains if the blood clot causing demographics overlap with those at risk for serious COVID cases.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by cranekam »

rambojazz wrote: post #24
auiya wrote: post #17

Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.

I think the argument for suspending the vaccine was that the number was still significantly higher than the expected value, despite being very low.

40 out of 17 million is 0.0002%. Surely 0.0002% of any cohort go on to develop blood clots? I'd certainly pick those odds over being unvaccinated.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by adrr »

runawaybottle wrote: post #20
auiya wrote: post #17

Astra Zeneca says it's less than 40 cases in 17 million. Are those numbers accurate? That seems like quite a small population affected.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

I think the it will be shown the countries who took it seriously are going to winners both in terms in deaths, long term care for long haulers and economy. Asians countries are booming since their economy wasn't affected because the stringent lock downs controlled the virus.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by hvidgaard »

raverbashing wrote: post #21

Sensationalist and misleading title Yes, it's the vaccine "that caused it". In a 1 in a million case. In the same way you can die eating a donut and choking on it. The real news is that it might have involved a platelet targeting immune reaction. Guess what else causes clotting problems (in much higher frequency)? Covid

3 have had the immune response in about 120.000 vaccinated with AstraZeneca. That's too small a sample to really conclude anything, but as far as Norway is concerned it might be a 1:40000 risk.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by lemmonii »

afavour wrote: post #26
runawaybottle wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of the theme with Covid ultimately. I’m curious who will have the guts to re-examine the global shutdown as an exaggerated reaction as we go forward.

40 cases of blood clots (and 0 confirmed deaths) in 17 million 538K confirmed deaths in 328 million (the US population) They really aren't comparable. EDIT: see replies below for details about deaths connected to the clots. I take that back. But my general point still stands, COVID is far, far more dangerous than the vaccine.

Did you read the article? The Norwegians claim that one of the health workers died.

Re: Norwegian experts say blood clots were caused by the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

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Post by magnusmundus »

Shorel wrote: post #14
simonh wrote: post #5

Interesting, and very concerning if it's true. I was given my first shot of the AZ vaccine on Monday afternoon, so I was aware of the reports of blood clots at the time although only in outline. I just don't understand how come the same reaction hasn't been seen in the millions of people vaccinated with AZ outside Norway (edit - it has been, thanks for the info, none of the articles I've come across properly explaine…

I say both risks are totally related. Covid itself causes blood clots. The solution here has been to administer aspirin to Covid patients. So the solution for the AstraZeneca vaccine should be the same. Vaccinate people, give them some aspirin over two weeks, just in case.

It really complicates the operations though, which is already proving to be difficult for many countries: You have to add aspirin distribution & storage to the vaccine, which might be an issue for costs if not for the logistics of it.

More importantly, you have to manage whether the vaccinated people can take aspirin. You don't want this to be how you find out you have a different blood coagulation issue, or anything else that aspirin can affect adversely (I'm not a medical professional).

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