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A hacker got all my texts for $16

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Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#31

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I deleted the phone number from google account, just use 2FA from app. Now forgot password does not give extreme option of just sending a code to my phone.

How do you recover your account if you don't have the app?

You can have a backup of the private key written on a piece of paper.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#32

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I deleted the phone number from google account, just use 2FA from app. Now forgot password does not give extreme option of just sending a code to my phone.

How do you recover your account if you don't have the app?

I mean sending a code VIA SMS. I mean I deleted the phone number from my Google account. Now I have only Auth App, & Google App. The code & recovery options are 8 digit recovery phrase, Tap in Google App on other device. No reset code SMS.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

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How do you protect against this type of attack?

Don't use Phone number based 2Factor or if you must use a number, keep it to an app (eg, Google Voice) and don't forward your Google Voice texts to your phone's number. Basically, avoid using your carrier provided phone number for anything related to an account.

Google Voice is US-only.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#34

Too many services use phone numbers as the keys to the kingdom. It's a convenient and stable identifier, but holy shit it's not designed for security at all .

Yep, I hate this with a passion. I deprecated text messaging a decade ago, too. Anyone who thinks they can reach me by some ancient 140-character mobile-operator-controlled service, it's their fault for not getting with the beat in 2021.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#35

Too many services use phone numbers as the keys to the kingdom. It's a convenient and stable identifier, but holy shit it's not designed for security at all .

The whole 2 factor thing really falls down if sms is a part and you aren’t getting the messages.

I had a miserable time trying to get into Backblaze recently, with even the ability it offered to switch sms providers failing.

The list of valid keys they give you on setup bailed me out eventually, but it took me a while to remember them.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#37

Voip.ms, vonage/twilio, et al let you set up an SMS capable number really quickly and cheaply, available globally... And you'd be fully in control

Until you get deplatformed. Tech-first MVNOs don't always have the same consumer rights and anti trust requirements as those regulated by the FCC.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#38

Voip.ms, vonage/twilio, et al let you set up an SMS capable number really quickly and cheaply, available globally... And you'd be fully in control

I tried to set up a Twilio number specifically to handle these services that demand SMS for login.

Weirdly it only works for a minority of services, I expect many use Twilio to send their auth texts and Twilio blocks sending these to their own numbers?

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#39
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"sms based one time passcodes" needs to die and the companies that know better should be fined and sanctioned, particular the ones that are demanding SMS based OTP so they can also add your phone number to their social graph

Nonsense. SMS is a great recovery factor, both for people who forget their password, and for those who lose access to their other second factors. (E.g. email address or a smartphone app). The thing that makes SMS uniquely good at this is that there is infrastructure around for people to replace their lost SIM cards, and that SMS available globally (vs regional identity systems like the bank ids in Nordic countries).…

Not being able to access your account for 3 days when you need to recover your password is not going to be a viable business decision for most services. I think you are SEVERELY underestimating how often the average user needs to recover their password.

Re: A hacker got all my texts for $16

#40

Voip.ms, vonage/twilio, et al let you set up an SMS capable number really quickly and cheaply, available globally... And you'd be fully in control

I tried to set up a Twilio number specifically to handle these services that demand SMS for login. Weirdly it only works for a minority of services, I expect many use Twilio to send their auth texts and Twilio blocks sending these to their own numbers?

Part of SMS verification is to raise the cost of Sybil attacks. Well known sources of cheap bulk phone numbers are often banned for that reason.
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