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Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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http://news.ycombinator.com/apply

Do you think it's really enough money to do 3 month full time commitment? (I have family, not enough saving)

No, it's definitely not. So where's the YC clone that does $80k per founder? I'd bet they will achieve a significantly higher success rate than YC does. More experienced, hungrier, stable founders who are highly motivated not to return to their cubes because they already know how much it sucks.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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Only some people are wired for it.

My wife is smart, hard-working, and has skills that would translate into much higher paychecks if she worked for herself. Even her hobbies could make her lots of money. I've tried numerous times to get her to start her own business, because I find entrepreneurship so fulfilling and I love the freedom and the challenges. I want to share the feeling with her and, frankly, I also want her to better understand me. Her complete lack of interest in starting her own business is so alien to me that we have really struggled to even communicate about it. I've bought her books and cut out articles of people that have started successful businesses in her field of interest in an attempt to entice her to the startup fold. She is completely not interested, and she gets tense and testy when I even suggest she start her own business.

One of her best explanations was that her very traditional, 'ladder-oriented' upbringing (father was a military officer, then a corporate man, and her mother was in academia) has made her most comfortable with a traditional job. She wants the safety and structure of working for someone else. Even if a startup would be more lucrative, fun, and flexible than her current job, her fear of the unknown outweighs those benefits. She doesn't want to have to always "figure out what to do next", and she doesn't want her income to be inconsistent.* She also needs quite a bit of external positive reinforcement for her emotional well-being (that is, she needs people telling her "Thatta girl!" when she does a great job in order to feel good and keep going.) She thinks a startup would be lonely and she thinks her self-confidence and motivation would falter without frequent external reinforcement from co-workers and supervisors. All of which is probably true.

Both of her parents are very educated (PhDs) and have always worked for someone else. They are also relatively wealthy. My parents didn't attend college, and are "rural middle-class," but they have both owned their own businesses. My parents also have some very wealthy entrepreneurial friends that I was around quite a bit as a child.

* I went from making $40K/yr working for someone else, to making more than that A MONTH working for myself. Even though I was making EXPONENTIALLY more money by working for myself, the income was sporadic, so my wife asked that I get a 'second job' making about $10 an hour as a 'backup'! She is completely emotional and irrational about money, and it drives me crazy.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it's really enough money to do 3 month full time commitment? (I have family, not enough saving)

No, it's definitely not. So where's the YC clone that does $80k per founder? I'd bet they will achieve a significantly higher success rate than YC does. More experienced, hungrier, stable founders who are highly motivated not to return to their cubes because they already know how much it sucks.

Hey New Haven, are you listening??

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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Thanks, I already applied last year. Not going for the gold again this year. Would rather just do it myself.

YC means that you aren't doing it yourself?

He might be thinking about the funding + network that YC provides.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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lets remember you have to do quite well to match the pay, benefits, and lifestyle of joe corp coder i won't toot my horn but i leave at 5pm SHARP, go to the gym everyday, great benefits and 401k, and i get about $150k, lots of vacation time too you think about how hard you would have to work on a startup to get that.

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Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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Lack of good examples. Most people here probably read techcrunch, so day in and day out they get to read nothing but success stories. So they think success is the norm. So they have no problem developing something extremely simple, because they know that simplicity has paid off for some people.

An older guy who is in a corporate job, has no clue about techcrunch, and knows that whatever idea he comes up with has been done by Google etc. And if it hasn't they'll just steal his idea before he can make money.

So in the end he doesn't want to give up his corporate job, his income, and 2 years of his life, to develop an application has little probability of success.

I mean look at your average startup founder, its a younger guy who has no other commitments. And they can survive with a burn rate of $500 a month(live with parents + cost of dedicated server + other minor bills), while an older guy has a $2500 mortgage, $500 food bill, college tuition payments etc. And he thinks he needs $100,000 in servers, since that's what he is used with working at his corporate gig.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

#37
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://news.ycombinator.com/apply

Do you think it's really enough money to do 3 month full time commitment? (I have family, not enough saving)

that amount of money is that ridicusly small in order to attract only students out of school. I can't think of anybody with solid experience using YC.

15k is enough for 3 students for 3 months. Somebody that has been working for a while, has probably a lot more money than that.

I have friends that saved money, quit, and now are doing their startup and living off their savings.

The only thing that YC might be usefull is some free publicity, and contacts, which are very useful especially if your product is of dubios value.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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post #32

Only some people are wired for it. My wife is smart, hard-working, and has skills that would translate into much higher paychecks if she worked for herself. Even her hobbies could make her lots of money. I've tried numerous times to get her to start her own business, because I find entrepreneurship so fulfilling and I love the freedom and the challenges. I want to share the feeling with her and, frankly, I also want…

I find it hard to believe you were making over $480,000 a year and your wife insisted you get a second job making $10 an hour. Perhaps your calculations are off.

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

#39
None of you guys are making money because you keep over-analyzing things. This thread is a brilliant example. Stop thinking you need to move to CA, have some brilliant, big idea, and a truckload of cash from YCombinator or investors.

There are thousands of people making thousands every month, and they range from teenagers to mom and pops who know nothing about design or programming. Everyone here already has a one-up on them. Instead of trying to create a new 'web 2.0' service, pick a content site and do it good! It doesn't matter if it's been done before. I created a site that offered MySpace layouts and graphics, despite there already being like 300 of them, and it was making close to $1k three months later. I sold it six months later for $12k on SitePoint. No investors, no big expenses.

I now leave you with a quote from Nas:

    No idea's original, there's nothin' new under the sun
    It's never what you do, but how it's done

Re: Ask HN: Why don't more web developers found startups?

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post #38
post #32

Only some people are wired for it. My wife is smart, hard-working, and has skills that would translate into much higher paychecks if she worked for herself. Even her hobbies could make her lots of money. I've tried numerous times to get her to start her own business, because I find entrepreneurship so fulfilling and I love the freedom and the challenges. I want to share the feeling with her and, frankly, I also want…

I find it hard to believe you were making over $480,000 a year and your wife insisted you get a second job making $10 an hour. Perhaps your calculations are off.

Sporadic 40k in a month != 480k/year :)
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