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Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I was wondering it seems like when you get a mail app, Android ends up storing that mail address as an account in the account section of the parameters. Is there a way to avoid this ?

Just checked on mine and no FairEmail email account is listed in the accounts list in Android - it's all handled in-app.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I realise that this is not a common use case, but FairEmail is the only e-mail client I could find that supports TLS client authentication.

Does K9 not do this? I am certain it works with STARTTLS, it’s what I’m currently using. Do you mean just straight TLS connection at the start of session?

I assume they're referring to TLS client certificate authentication support. As you say, most email clients can handle TLS.

Few can handle authenticating to the server with a client certificate, but FairEmail seems to support it fine, although I've yet to configure it on my own server as it's likely to break other clients that don't support it.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I was wondering it seems like when you get a mail app, Android ends up storing that mail address as an account in the account section of the parameters. Is there a way to avoid this ?

This is the user interface to the AccountManager API, which is one of the standard mechanisms to manage auth tokens and background sync. IIRC it's been around since Android 1.0 and it's probably not a useful vector for third-party tracking.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I'm using F-droid K-9 and am happy with it. What would be the point of switching? If the new thing is flat-out better then it might be worth considering, but I haven't seen any explanation of this.

Comparing K-9 to FairEmail is like comparing Outlook Express (from Windows 95 fame) to Mozilla Thunderbird

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I'm using F-droid K-9 and am happy with it. What would be the point of switching? If the new thing is flat-out better then it might be worth considering, but I haven't seen any explanation of this.

IMAP IDLE push support for any server that supports it, good configurability in settings for a wide range of advanced power user features, and good private-by-default settings (avoiding and blocking tracking pixels/images in emails, and stripping known tracking parameters from links you click, etc.) Those would be my top 3 personally.

IDLE is especially difficult on recent Android versions without a hosted service piping through FCM. You may be able to get away with a foreground service that displays a permanent notification, but I believe Android 11 or 12 limits even those services so you cannot have a persistent process keeping a socket open.

Power usage would be an interesting problem as well, because I'm not sure if keeping a socket open would pin the radio active.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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I'm using F-droid K-9 and am happy with it. What would be the point of switching? If the new thing is flat-out better then it might be worth considering, but I haven't seen any explanation of this.

Comparing K-9 to FairEmail is like comparing Outlook Express (from Windows 95 fame) to Mozilla Thunderbird

Give me a modernized Outlook Express over Thunderbird any day.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMAP IDLE push support for any server that supports it, good configurability in settings for a wide range of advanced power user features, and good private-by-default settings (avoiding and blocking tracking pixels/images in emails, and stripping known tracking parameters from links you click, etc.) Those would be my top 3 personally.

IDLE is especially difficult on recent Android versions without a hosted service piping through FCM. You may be able to get away with a foreground service that displays a permanent notification, but I believe Android 11 or 12 limits even those services so you cannot have a persistent process keeping a socket open. Power usage would be an interesting problem as well, because I'm not sure if keeping a socket open would…

I haven't had any issues on Android 11 with FairEmail using a foreground service. I believe that the changes coming in 12 are able to be worked around though, and at minimum a version distributed outside of the Play Store won't be affected. There's some get-outs to Google's changes at least as they stand right now, but who knows if that will remain the case in subsequent versions.

I haven't seen any suggestion the radio is being pinned active - it seems to still sleep fine, and I believe an incoming messages triggers a downlink page to the phone, which will then wake the radio to deliver the packets.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Am I a weirdo for using POP mail on an Android? I don't trust any third party with storing my email. Is there a reason why I should move to IMAP?

I mean I know the technical reasons. But it says on the FairEmail page: "FairEmail might be for you if you value your privacy." and also says "works with virtually all email providers, including Gmail, Outlook and Yahoo!"

For me, privacy is more than what's on the client - the server matters too. POP has seemed to work for me for 25+ yrs.

Re: FairEmail: Open-source, privacy friendly email app for Android

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Am I a weirdo for using POP mail on an Android? I don't trust any third party with storing my email. Is there a reason why I should move to IMAP? I mean I know the technical reasons. But it says on the FairEmail page: "FairEmail might be for you if you value your privacy." and also says "works with virtually all email providers, including Gmail, Outlook and Yahoo!" For me, privacy is more than what's on the client -…

If you don't trust your provider then POP won't help you because you can't trust them not to keep copies. The only solution is to run your own SMTP server, at which point you might as well use IMAP.
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