I have found the concept of Framing to be immensely valuable in my personal life. I’d advise anyone who wants to be a better communicator to learn a little bit about it.
What have you found it helped you to do?
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#32They need to reframe that table of contents that really wants to hover in the middle of my mobile screen.
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#33I have found the concept of Framing to be immensely valuable in my personal life. I’d advise anyone who wants to be a better communicator to learn a little bit about it.
what resources can you suggest?
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#34I have found the concept of Framing to be immensely valuable in my personal life. I’d advise anyone who wants to be a better communicator to learn a little bit about it.
What have you found it helped you to do?
Simply the concept that our perceptions can be changed by us. We are not passive consumers of reality, but instead we are active participants.
The biggest example in my personal life was with finding the right medication. At first I was demoralized, but I challenged myself to take it as a long war campaign. That the lessons I learned along the way would one day help others.
Fast forward half a dozen years, half a dozen doctors, and I finally found the right balance of meds. The lessons I learned along the way have and will continue to help people.
As for where I learned about framing, I believe it was from some Pickup Artist material from the early 2000s. I would suggest you learn more from better sources like the book “Influence” by Robert Cialdini
There is a cool video by Jocko called Mind Control. I found it helpful and related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLMFHK7urI
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#35How did this make it to the top of HN?
I clicked in thinking it was along the lines of "how to buy lumber."
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Framing is a tool - it can be used for bad or good. Propaganda is a tool - it can be used for bad or good. The problem is that "bad" and "good" are subjective value judgements. Simultaneously, the mindset of manipulation is going to have certain predictable effects on communication and society, no matter what the manipulation is used for. If you haven't caught on, the website uses the techniques it promotes.
I'll make some statements here, and lets see if we agree: 1) We live in a social world. 2) Your effectiveness is measured by other people. 3) Your ability to communicate can affect your perceived effectiveness. 4) Highly effective people are rewarded. 5) To be rewarded is 'good'. Let me know where we disagree, and then we'll have a better understanding of each other.
2,3 and 4 can be true or false and building each subsequent statement upon the former may be a good example of framing rhetoric but does not provide a good foundation for your argument and is actually more of a house of cards.
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#37There’s a fictional story about a girl going off to college and writing a letter to her parents (pre internet days). She laments about getting injured, her dormitory catching fire, and getting pregnant. But at the end of the letter, she reveals that none of those things happened and in reality she is just getting some bad grades.
Even though it’s not real, I find this kind of framing to be useful in real life situations. When something bad happens, it can easily feel like that was the worst possible thing that could have happened. And your reaction might match that feeling. But the reality is if you’re still alive, it probably wasn’t such a big deal and you think about it in the context of what would actually be the worst thing that could have happened.
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#38I took a class in college on cognitive linguistics taught about that last couple of decades of cognitive science research around framing. The field that we studied was relatively small so we became familiar with the major researchers in the field. The major figure was George Lakoff. These people claim to use a proprietary method called Strategic Frame Analysis. I was curious to see if I recognized any names under the…
George Lakoff's Metaphors We Live By is one of my favorite books. It's a great reminder about how powerful words can be at subliminally guiding our thoughts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphors_We_Live_By Since the predominant implicit metaphor behind "argument" is battle/war/conflict, we intuit that there must be a "winner" and that we must "defeat" the "opponent" and other nasty implications. Because of this I…
> Because of this I often make explicit when I converse that I'm engaging in a "collaborative exploration" and not an fight about who is right.
Have you found that successful? One of my big struggles in my social life is that I am quite curious how things are and more often than not my discussion/arguments are interpreted somehow so that I supposedly want to show my "opponent" is wrong. And really, most of the time, who is right and who is wrong is one of the last things crossing my mind.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
George Lakoff's Metaphors We Live By is one of my favorite books. It's a great reminder about how powerful words can be at subliminally guiding our thoughts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphors_We_Live_By Since the predominant implicit metaphor behind "argument" is battle/war/conflict, we intuit that there must be a "winner" and that we must "defeat" the "opponent" and other nasty implications. Because of this I…
> Because of this I often make explicit when I converse that I'm engaging in a "collaborative exploration" and not an fight about who is right. Have you found that successful? One of my big struggles in my social life is that I am quite curious how things are and more often than not my discussion/arguments are interpreted somehow so that I supposedly want to show my "opponent" is wrong. And really, most of the time,…
Perhaps tone and word choice can help here, as well as communicating your pretext. Also, just because you’re curious doesn’t mean others share the same curiosity in the moment… depending on how and what you probe you can be irritating even if that’s not your intention.
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#40I think he's working on a book, but Jim Leff (of Chowhound.com fame from way back) is obsessed with perceptual framing and writes some interesting stuff about it: https://jimleff.blogspot.com/search/label/perceptual%20frami...