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Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Yep, here's the link to the LineageOS device list with installation instructions. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#xiaomi

But why would you have to root and reflash it? Couldn't they, you know, respect their customer instead?

>Couldn't they, you know, respect their customer instead?

I think the phone vendors that do that are in the vast minority.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, here's the link to the LineageOS device list with installation instructions. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/#xiaomi

But why would you have to root and reflash it? Couldn't they, you know, respect their customer instead?

I don't know. I agree that it's not a customer friendly policy. But if your already stuck with a Xiaomi phone you have to either return it or bite the bullet, not much else you can do.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Really interesting. But whether what Xiaomi browser does it's a spyware, what's is Google? Does Google collects our navigation data? (Yes if we are using chrome or android and logged in) Does Google knows what videos and what kind of videos do we watch? (Do you need an answer?) Call it's a spyware because is a chinese company? Really? Nah. Google does the same or at least worst than it. I'm neither defending Xiami no…

What does Google have to do with Xiaomi spyware? Or Google being spyware somehow makes Xiaomi spyware less shitty?

There is a natural tendency to compare and contrast. And especially in cases where people are speculating about political motives, you're going to see that.

> Or Google being spyware somehow makes Xiaomi spyware less shitty?

Absolutely not, but both of them doing it defangs certain types of criticism.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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I truly don't understand, from a security and privacy perspective, why would anyone outside of China would voluntarily choose to run closed-source software from a company that's subject to domestic laws and regulations in China. The MSS is no joke. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=china+mss... This is the same reason that Zoom is banned at my workplace and many other partner companies. You've actual…

Same could be said for countries outside of the USA buying US tech equipment.

I agree, people give US companies way to much slack... But then what am I supposed to do if I'm European? The US and China pretty much covers the mobile market (and what's not covered is still not European).

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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I recently bought a Xiaomi phone (Poco m3) for development. I was shocked to learn that in order to enable USB debug mode in developer settings, I needed to BOTH : 1) make a Xiaomi account with and 2) insert a SIM card to the device (!) Is that not insane? Other people seem to think so too: https://android.stackexchange.com/a/186052 Apparently the only alternative to this is rooting the device, which may break it.

I've been told that the reasoning behind this is shady resellers loading unremovable system malware to the system partition (which runs as device admin++) before reselling this to you.

Apparently this is a huge problem in China, where there seems to be quite literally no trust at all on online shopping. This actually does seem to be the case if you try buying devices from any NON-xiaomi-official store Aliexpress shop. They're usually $0.01-$1.00 cheaper, and are guaranteed to be packed with massive amounts of malware. None of which can be pressed "disable" or "uninstall" (greyed out).

They use fake reviews and fake buyers much like Amazon in the west, to inflate their order count and ratings to be sorted above Xiaomi official store

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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I truly don't understand, from a security and privacy perspective, why would anyone outside of China would voluntarily choose to run closed-source software from a company that's subject to domestic laws and regulations in China. The MSS is no joke. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=china+mss... This is the same reason that Zoom is banned at my workplace and many other partner companies. You've actual…

> I truly don't understand, from a security and privacy perspective, why would anyone outside of China would voluntarily choose to run closed-source software from a company that's subject to domestic laws and regulations in China.

They make cheap phones.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Could it be the same reason anyone outside of the US would voluntarily choose to run close-source software from a company that's subject to domestic laws and regulations in the US? The ECPA is no joke.

I'm sure that a Chinese citizen would see the NSA as an equal or greater threat. The difference from my perspective is that as a citizen of a NATO country with a functioning democracy, I'm highly unlikely to be rounded up by my government and put in a prison or concentration camp for expressing my political opinions or religion. You only need to look at the past several years of news from Hong Kong and the Uyghur/Xin…

I'm not 100% sure from your comment whether you're making out that:

(a). China is bad (yes, known)

(b). The US is not quite as bad (debatable but for the sake of argument lets agree that this is true)

(c). The US is benign

My comment was only refuting the 3rd supposition. I'm not sure if you actually believe this is true. Though terms such as "country with a functioning democracy" make me think you might...

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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I'm using a firewall to block tens of IP addresses and several apps. Why would Xiaomi tell me to download a 26MB update from their store if the one from Google Play, where I downloaded the app it's less than 15MB? I'll be getting rid of this phone by the end of the month.

Most Xiaomi phones are relatively easy to root/unlock and install a new rom on.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to do but the power button doesn't work anymore so if I turn it off, there's no way to bring it back to life.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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I truly don't understand, from a security and privacy perspective, why would anyone outside of China would voluntarily choose to run closed-source software from a company that's subject to domestic laws and regulations in China. The MSS is no joke. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=china+mss... This is the same reason that Zoom is banned at my workplace and many other partner companies. You've actual…

All you have to do is look at it from more than a security/privacy perspective.

Chrome is the most used browser despite Firefox doing nearly everything Chrome does the same and everyone knowing that Firefox doesn't track you like Chrome does.

It's obvious why. It's a little faster, it has more money behind it, it comes pre-installed (and unremovable) on most phones, etc.

Re: Are Xiaomi browsers spyware? Yes, they are (2020)

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Hmm, I mean why Chinese capitalism is so powerful? Because the government sanctioned and allowed the capital's all-reaching power.

Do you believe CCP is so capable to utilize such tools?

If the answer is yes, then you should ask yourself is there any realistic chance of overpowering such a technologically advanced "government". And how much more powerful the private sectors would be. Think about how much gap is between silicon valley and US government in technological capabilities.

This framing of pin everything as government sponsored activities make it very difficult to correct such behavior effectively. Because they were easily brushed off as intentional attack on the nation.

Why not just put it as what is?

I mean 996 in Chinese high tech industry is killing the quality of the work. That's obviously the right reasoning right?

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