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Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

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Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

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When I search for this, it's hard to look past the poverty, people who's dwellings are handmade and have no documentation.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/manaus/propertyforsale

I guess 50 million people living in real poverty is just a statistic.

For all the illegal comments, these dirt poor people living in slums are also living illegally. They probably have no formal property documentation.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

#32

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Indeed. It is complicated, so perhaps not allow selling of land in Brazil than? Because something is hard to do doesn't make it ok not to do it. Facebook is selling illegal products and if it's not capable of getting properly, than it's part of the racket and should be held responsible as so.

Every marketplace has illegal products. Craigslist has stolen cars. Kijiji has stolen pets. eBay has fake collectibles. You will find all manner of scams on Reddit. Fiverr is filled with tons of people willing to do your homework. Expecting marketplaces to police peer to peer transactions in depth is unreasonable.

Yes, that's all bad as well. But some platforms get removed entirely when there's enough illegal activity. A marketplace that is facilitating should be held responsible. If your community can't be trusted, than yes validation must be done. So yes, I think the platforms that you mention should be handled as well.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

#33

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It sounds like Facebook is running into a very controversial form of selling counterfeits. Some land is legal to sell, but some is not and it is the responsibility of the platform not to facilitate crime. In this case Facebook is failing to vet their advertisements, so it should stop offering this service until it is capable of doing so within the confines of the law.

> In this case Facebook is failing to vet their advertisements, so it should stop offering this device until it is capable of doing so within the confines of the law. What person to person marketplace is held to this standard? Certainly not Craigslist, eBay, or Fiverr. Arguably not even Amazon.

Silkroad.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

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post #19

> Facebook said it was "ready to work with local authorities", but indicated it would not take independent action of its own to halt the trade. Huh? If the ads were for firearms or child slaves, would Facebook's response also be that it was ready to work with local authorities, but would not take independent action? So how can Facebook take this kind of flippant approach to this, but not on other items? The, not even…

They only block Trump ... everything else takes legal actions...

Violating TOS gets you removed from a platform. Is that controversial? I assume HN can do the same.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

#35

> Facebook said it was "ready to work with local authorities", but indicated it would not take independent action of its own to halt the trade. Huh? If the ads were for firearms or child slaves, would Facebook's response also be that it was ready to work with local authorities, but would not take independent action? So how can Facebook take this kind of flippant approach to this, but not on other items? The, not even…

Selling children and guns (at least in most parts of the world) is just outright prohibited. Selling land isn't. You don't need to figure out whether it is an illegal or legal child sale as all child selling is illegal. Selling land in itself is not illegal.

Its outright prohibited to sell illegal land as well. Facebook might also require a proof of ownership before allowing the sale.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like Facebook is running into a very controversial form of selling counterfeits. Some land is legal to sell, but some is not and it is the responsibility of the platform not to facilitate crime. In this case Facebook is failing to vet their advertisements, so it should stop offering this service until it is capable of doing so within the confines of the law.

> In this case Facebook is failing to vet their advertisements, so it should stop offering this device until it is capable of doing so within the confines of the law. What person to person marketplace is held to this standard? Certainly not Craigslist, eBay, or Fiverr. Arguably not even Amazon.

Imagine how confusing it would be to see Amazon postings on Amazon.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It is complicated, so perhaps not allow selling of land in Brazil than? Because something is hard to do doesn't make it ok not to do it. Facebook is selling illegal products and if it's not capable of getting properly, than it's part of the racket and should be held responsible as so.

Every marketplace has illegal products. Craigslist has stolen cars. Kijiji has stolen pets. eBay has fake collectibles. You will find all manner of scams on Reddit. Fiverr is filled with tons of people willing to do your homework. Expecting marketplaces to police peer to peer transactions in depth is unreasonable.

I really have to shamelessly plug my marketplace - https://vendiapp.com here. This is exactly why we started this with the goal of helping other marketplaces as well to completely protect its users. We believe marketplaces must start becoming more responsible and accountable for the transactions that they facilitate.

We are currently focussed on the verification of electronic products. But our goal is to verify listings in all verticals with a high risk of fraud.

Re: Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads

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post #22

"Many of the sellers openly admit they do not have a land title, the only document which proves ownership of land under Brazilian law." In which case, what are they even selling? Who would buy? Even if you "buy", aren't you then still illegally occupying land?

Because the Brazilian government does not care, so they effectively own the land.

So what's actually being purchased in a transaction? Post-purchase, how is it any different than simply turning up & using the land?
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