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Re: Apple iCloud

#31

Post by dreamdu5t »

tptacek wrote: post #21
dreamdu5t wrote: post #20

I want more control over my music with the cloud, not less. * iCloud will not offer the ability to access content outside of Apple's devices: No web-based access has been announced or hinted at. * Locked into music formats only Apple wants to support: No lossless format, no advanced tagging, no support for open audio standards, the list goes on. * Forced to use iTunes: Forcing everybody to use iTunes prevents alterna…

The world before iTMS involved me going to tiny record stores and thumbing through physical CDs. In today's world, within 4 minutes of reading a review of a new artist, I can have the track on my phone. Over the long term, maybe iTMS lock-in is bad for consumers. But when you say that, I personally (just me) think you have to account for the fact that over the short term, it's been a huge win.

False dichotomy. You can have an online music store without waging a format war and trying to control how people use their music.

Re: Apple iCloud

#32

Post by tptacek »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #31
tptacek wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world before iTMS involved me going to tiny record stores and thumbing through physical CDs. In today's world, within 4 minutes of reading a review of a new artist, I can have the track on my phone. Over the long term, maybe iTMS lock-in is bad for consumers. But when you say that, I personally (just me) think you have to account for the fact that over the short term, it's been a huge win.

False dichotomy. You can have an online music store without waging a format war and trying to control how people use their music.

I wasn't proposing a dichotomy. I was making a simple observation. Consumers are better off now than they were before Apple seized a dominant role in music distribution.

Re: Apple iCloud

#33

Post by Steko »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #31
tptacek wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world before iTMS involved me going to tiny record stores and thumbing through physical CDs. In today's world, within 4 minutes of reading a review of a new artist, I can have the track on my phone. Over the long term, maybe iTMS lock-in is bad for consumers. But when you say that, I personally (just me) think you have to account for the fact that over the short term, it's been a huge win.

False dichotomy. You can have an online music store without waging a format war and trying to control how people use their music.

"You can have an online music store without waging a format war and trying to control how people use their music."

You can do this today only because Apple went to bat with the labels, won a bunch of freedoms, had a crapton of success and the labels (fearing Apple's leverage) gave even more freedoms to Amazon et al.

Re: Apple iCloud

#34

Post by hboon »

tptacek wrote: post #26
telemachos wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is tangential. I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with your main point(s). I miss browsing. I miss (good) record stores. I miss (good) used bookstores. Some of my favorite memories are of browsing used bookstores in the five boroughs of NYC. Nearly all of them are closed now. The Strand sells mostly new remainders - though I go there anyhow, because I miss browsing. You can sort of browse online, but it's re…

It was fun hunting for things. It was fun finding out about the best record stores, which were always skillfully camouflaged to look like run-down used record stores. It was fun bumping into people and it was fun to have your cred affirmed by approving comments from the clerk when you bought a CD or asked them to order something from a catalogue. But it is better this way for everybody but the middlemen.

Not really. Apple is the new middlemen (and has been for a while).

So more accurately: it's better for everybody but the previous middlemen.

Re: Apple iCloud

#35

Post by hussam »

It seems to me that as far as photos go iCloud is only a temporary home while you sync your devices up (the so-called Photo Stream http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/photo-stream.html ) . So it is still a very device-centric view of the world, with the cloud as a backend assistant. Did I misinterpret what they said?

Obviously it is too early to know now, and we'll only know for sure when it comes out, but still, thoughts?

Re: Apple iCloud

#36

Post by teilo »

jokermatt999 wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is attractive enough for me to consider reinstalling iTunes. I've ranted a number of times on the numerous issues I've had with it, but this service is amazing, especially as someone who doesn't buy their music from iTunes. Why's that? Because for $25, all those older CD rips and music which was certainly acquired legally can now be obtained easily in 256 Apple lossless (edit: not lossless, duh). I don…

Your rips will not help you. The iCloud music service does not work with rips. You need to have the actual CD. iTunes will scan, it, identify it, and identify the individual tracks.

Re: Apple iCloud

#37

Post by BusinessType »

jokermatt999 wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is attractive enough for me to consider reinstalling iTunes. I've ranted a number of times on the numerous issues I've had with it, but this service is amazing, especially as someone who doesn't buy their music from iTunes. Why's that? Because for $25, all those older CD rips and music which was certainly acquired legally can now be obtained easily in 256 Apple lossless (edit: not lossless, duh). I don…

Who cares if internet jokers down-vote you?

It really doesn't matter. It's best to be mature, take the high road, and ignore it.

Re: Apple iCloud

#39

Post by jokermatt999 »

BusinessType wrote: post #37
jokermatt999 wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is attractive enough for me to consider reinstalling iTunes. I've ranted a number of times on the numerous issues I've had with it, but this service is amazing, especially as someone who doesn't buy their music from iTunes. Why's that? Because for $25, all those older CD rips and music which was certainly acquired legally can now be obtained easily in 256 Apple lossless (edit: not lossless, duh). I don…

Who cares if internet jokers down-vote you? It really doesn't matter. It's best to be mature, take the high road, and ignore it.

Typically I don't, but HN seems to have less random downvote. I'd gotten -3 in a short time, so I was honestly wondering why people thought it worth downvoting.

Re: Apple iCloud

#40

Post by joeguilmette »

teilo wrote: post #36
jokermatt999 wrote: post #3

Honestly, this is attractive enough for me to consider reinstalling iTunes. I've ranted a number of times on the numerous issues I've had with it, but this service is amazing, especially as someone who doesn't buy their music from iTunes. Why's that? Because for $25, all those older CD rips and music which was certainly acquired legally can now be obtained easily in 256 Apple lossless (edit: not lossless, duh). I don…

Your rips will not help you. The iCloud music service does not work with rips. You need to have the actual CD. iTunes will scan, it, identify it, and identify the individual tracks.

Do you have a source for this? The blogging community seems to disagree with you...
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