Good on them. The way that people working in the public sector get thanks for their “service” instead of being paid competitively is grossly unfair.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many government positions do not give you a right to strike. That may be true in other countries. In Canada, our Federal government employees are part of a union that comprises 200,000 employees. The rest of what you wrote is a very American perspective on public service, unions, and payroll structures that is almost entirely irrelevant to a discussion of Canadian government agencies. As for your last paragraph, it…
They do all over the world, France for example recently.
Except militaries. Also, firefighters and nurses seem to do fake strikes, protesting but doing their job anyway.
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#33Good on them. The way that people working in the public sector get thanks for their “service” instead of being paid competitively is grossly unfair.
You go into the public sector to serve, and you get mediocre pay and tremendous stability and generous, long-lasting benefits in exchange. Nobody's twisting your arm. Feel free to live in a dumpster in SV and make $400k building the next generation of dystopian garbage if you prefer.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many government positions do not give you a right to strike. The idea of striking is to force the company to raise prices or cut management salary and give more to workers, so it's a type of political battle over the economic surplus created by the firm. That makes sense in, say, a factory or business where there is a surplus to be fought over. But Government agencies have no surpluses, they run deficits and they hav…
> Many government positions do not give you a right to strike. That may be true in other countries. In Canada, our Federal government employees are part of a union that comprises 200,000 employees. The rest of what you wrote is a very American perspective on public service, unions, and payroll structures that is almost entirely irrelevant to a discussion of Canadian government agencies. As for your last paragraph, it…
They do in the US as well with a few exceptions.
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#35>At issue is a change to the market allowance — a wage supplement negotiated to close pay gaps with workers doing similar work in the private sector. It's a benefit often used to attract employees into highly technical jobs in the public service So... quit and work in the private sector then?
And who will do necessary work for the government, to keep the societies that make the FAANG profits possible running? Having a bit of a private/public pay gap is understandable, but when it gets to the current 2-5x it gets a bit much.
They’ll pay better when they cant hire people at the current salary?
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#36Re: Hundreds of workers at cybersecurity agency vote to strike
#37Good on them. The way that people working in the public sector get thanks for their “service” instead of being paid competitively is grossly unfair.
This is not the case in Canada, though I can't comment on other countries. Firstly, we pay our technology professionals rather well compared to the majority of the private sector (i.e banks, but not startup world). Secondly, there's an enormous safety net, including defined benefits pensions.
Years ago I was going to work for CSIS (Canadian Secret Intelligence Service. Their offer was 90% of my base salary, a 25% bonus pool, and benefits that clearly brought my total compensation well above my situation. I have friends who have made that decision - they're paid quite competitively, the published Sunshine List illustrates this.
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The CIA and NSA are also civilian.
the NSA is "civilian" in name only, to get around that pesky constitution that the government hates soo much. the NSA is a division of the DoD, it is based on a Military Base, and it has many military officers in high ranking positions if it acts like a duck, talks likes a Duck, calling it s something else does not make it anything other than a duck, this NSA for all practical purpose is part of the military. They sa…
Do fresh NSA recruits have to go in a gas chamber, keep their bunk clean, get a super-short haircut, eat what is served, and do lots of push-ups?
I think "not military" fits pretty well.
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the NSA is "civilian" in name only, to get around that pesky constitution that the government hates soo much. the NSA is a division of the DoD, it is based on a Military Base, and it has many military officers in high ranking positions if it acts like a duck, talks likes a Duck, calling it s something else does not make it anything other than a duck, this NSA for all practical purpose is part of the military. They sa…
Do fresh NSA recruits have to go in a gas chamber, keep their bunk clean, get a super-short haircut, eat what is served, and do lots of push-ups? I think "not military" fits pretty well.
That is a "featherless biped"-level definition of military.
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> Many government positions do not give you a right to strike. That may be true in other countries. In Canada, our Federal government employees are part of a union that comprises 200,000 employees. The rest of what you wrote is a very American perspective on public service, unions, and payroll structures that is almost entirely irrelevant to a discussion of Canadian government agencies. As for your last paragraph, it…
They do in the US as well with a few exceptions.
The Federal Service Labor Management Relations Act of 1978 makes it illegal for Federal govt employees to strike and does not provide any protections for state or local employees to strike:
"Government employees — state, local, and federal — do not have a right to strike under the federal law."(1)
For local government, it would depend on which state you are in. 8 states do provide some rights to their state and local employees to strike, 42 states do not.(1)
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(1) See https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/20/20873867/w...