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The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by attack »

a-priori wrote: post #29
albertcardona wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of fat cells becomes fixed by the end of adolescence. As a child, fatty cells proliferate, but remain rather small. Your daily food as a kid influences how many cells you'll end up having as an adult. Kids nowadays have a horrible diet of sugary drinks and fatty pseudo-chocolate treats. Fat cells are very much involved in total body weight control, both through enzymes and by hosting lipid-soluble hormones…

" The number of fat cells becomes fixed by the end of adolescence. " Uh, reference? I think you're wrong there. From what I remember, new fat cells grow when weight is gained, and are "deflated", but mostly survive, when weight is lost.

He's probably thinking of human muscle cells.

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by dmfdmf »

Read the book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. The scientific evidence supports the theory that carbos, especially refined carbs and sugars, are the cause of obesity and a raft of modern ailments. The most striking comment was that input (eating) and output (exercise) are dependent variables... something that these eatless/exercisemore approaches ignore.

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by fortes »

a-priori wrote: post #28
kingkongrevenge wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> High-calorie, strongly flavored foods that are easily digested I think French cuisine is WAY more flavorful and calorie dense, and they're thin.

The key is portion size. French cuisine may be more dense, but they eat less of it.

It's also about the rate of absorption into your body, as well as the consistency of flavors (packaged food is very uniform, and creates strong associations)

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by michaelneale »

streblo wrote: post #13

I don't understand why people think staying fit is such a god damn mystery. Exercise a few hours a week, eat a well balanced diet, get enough sleep. How hard is that?

Yeah its not that hard. Just have to make time. I have been trying lately more intense training, which seems to work well for me both fitness and good use of time (as sessions are shorter and more intense).

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by xlnt »

Just don't eat when not hungry.

Most people eat large quantities of food all at once. Stop half way and wait 20 minutes and you might not be hungry anymore. If you eat too quickly then you don't know at what point you'd eaten enough to satisfy your hunger.

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by aantix »

jamiequint wrote: post #27

Perhaps the problem is that the study only considered exercise is moderate. I've found high intensity exercise for short periods of time (20-40 minutes, 3-4 times a week) has far more effect for me personally than moderate exercise (45-60 minutes, 5-6 times a week) I've seen more personal improvement doing CrossFit (www.crossfit.com) than I ever did previously going to the local gym.

I have had a similar experience.

Lately I have been doing interval swimming where I swim one lap freestyle as if my life depended on it, and then another lap doing the backstroke as fast as I can. I am going 100% the whole time.

I rest for a few minutes and as soon as I feel I've got my breath slightly back, I do it all over again.

Not sure what it is about getting the hard pumping that hard for short intervals, but I've lost weight in the process.

The thing about it is there is no way to become content. You see a lot of cardio people churning away at the same rate on the treadmill as they were doing last week.

But with my interval swimming, I am going 100%. You are always pushing full throttle; there's no allowance for contentment.

http://www.quitrunning.com/interval-training-swimmers.htm http://www.marksdailyapple.com/sprint-training/

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by sgibat »

streblo wrote: post #13

I don't understand why people think staying fit is such a god damn mystery. Exercise a few hours a week, eat a well balanced diet, get enough sleep. How hard is that?

People lack critical thinking skills and the power to change their emotional schema, the way they deal with events in their lives. They are a product of their environment. So where on the giant can we attack with the greatest work/reward ratio? Education? Media? I don't know. Human beings are some crazy ass animals yo.

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by noonespecial »

natrius wrote: post #8
kingkongrevenge wrote: post #2

> Research suggests that weight may largely be regulated by biology, which helps determine the body's "set point," So where did all the fatties come from? They didn't used to be here. This is ridiculous. There are big, obvious changes in diet and exercise levels since the 70s that have correlated well with rising obesity.

One theory says that the food you eat can affect your set point. High-calorie, strongly flavored foods that are easily digested (which make up most of the modern American diet) raise your set point. Breaking the flavor-calorie association with flavorless calories supposedly lowers your set point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shangri-La_Diet

It does seem that the set point is movable. If you've been overweight for 20 years, there may very well be nothing that you can do about it.

An interesting (but very difficult to conduct) study would be an investigation into this particular rubicon of flab. How fat can you become for how long before it is impossible to go back.

Re: The Myth of Moderate Exercise

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Post by flipbrad »

attack wrote: post #31
a-priori wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" The number of fat cells becomes fixed by the end of adolescence. " Uh, reference? I think you're wrong there. From what I remember, new fat cells grow when weight is gained, and are "deflated", but mostly survive, when weight is lost.

He's probably thinking of human muscle cells.

no - he's absolutely correct. this was discovered earlier this year, IIRC.

cf: http://www.the-scientist.com/blog/display/54629/

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