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Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by Applejinx »

akmarinov wrote: post #19
pdpi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

64GB is available on the current-gen 64GB, so not offering it would be a step backwards.

64GB was available on the previous Mac Mini, but they took a step backwards and capped the new one at 16GB, no reason they won't do the same with the MBP.

I literally have a previous Mac Mini with maxed-out RAM thanks to OWC and their RAM upgrades. Also one of the new Macbook Pros.

From my experience with both, I think you might be very unhappy in retrospect if you bet that more RAM is going to make the most recent Intel one come within shouting distance of even an 8GB M1 Mini. The old one was one of the best for single-core performance within its generation, but they're not even the same thing, not even close. Again, I own both machines with the Intel Mini maxed out as far as it can go with RAM.

My gut level reaction is, you could give the new one lots more RAM (in theory) and it wouldn't end up using it. So they're capping them, otherwise people will assume there's a benefit and that the 8GB and 16GB ones aren't workable for heavy processing.

I've also got a suspicion (possibly just a weird cynicism) that this is why the previous-gen Mac Pro runs so huge and expensive: they've overpriced and overdesigned it so hard that it's unattainable for nearly anybody, making it a sort of status object with Veblen pricing, specifically to avoid class action lawsuits when they release newer machines that outperform it at a tenth of the price.

You were never supposed to actually buy the monstro cheese grater Mac Pro or its screen with the thousand dollar stand, and if you did, (a) it's of symbolic value to you and (b) it's your own fault. When the real high performance computer comes out of Apple it'll be at Mac Mini prices, and meant to iPhone-ify desktop computing as a category.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by akmarinov »

alberth wrote: post #15

Release Date? Apple can take a few different paths to this “M1X” release. They can A. Release in Spring. Use the current cpu & node generation tech, and add cores. B. Release in Fall. Use the now old (2020) cpu & old node, and add cores. C. Release in Fall. Use the now new (2021) cpu, new node generation - and add cores. Will be curious to see which path they take. I’d bet Option B. This would be similar to what’s cu…

Probably in June with WWDC, if they follow historic trends.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by izacus »

graindcafe wrote: post #27
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

People should stop comparing Apple Silicon to Intel and start comparing it to AMD.

There is no Macbook with AMD processor, I think that's why it is compared to Intel, that plus Intel being the historic leader

There's plenty of non-Macbooks with AMD processors which are competitive to it.

Comparing to Intel is like comparing to PPC MacBooks - meaningless.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

snicksnak wrote: post #21
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

People should stop comparing Apple Silicon to Intel and start comparing it to AMD.

Considering that Apple ditched Intel for their own Apple Silicon chips it makes more sense comparing them (for now).

Well, yes, if you look back so to say, you can put an older Intel MBP and a new one with M1 side by side and get a comparison showing the latter fares better. But when you look into the future, if you are a customer considering a purchase of a new laptop with Apple Silicon, they would benefit from a comparison with the top Zen 3 offerins, even though such a comparison might be much trickier than the one with Intel.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by izacus »

snicksnak wrote: post #21
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #13

People should stop comparing Apple Silicon to Intel and start comparing it to AMD.

Considering that Apple ditched Intel for their own Apple Silicon chips it makes more sense comparing them (for now).

Why? The MacBooks aren't competing against their previous iterations (since you can't buy them anymore), but against their non-Apple competition.

When you'll be buying a new laptop, you won't be choosing between a 2018 MacBook and a 2021 MacBook, but between 2021 MacBook and offerings from Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft and others.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

cromwellian wrote: post #10

Even at double the GPU cores it’ll still get beat by an RDNA2 based Ryzen GPU. The current M1 is about equal to a GTX 1060 performance wise according to benches. Although the Zen3 based RDNA2 APU “Rembrandt” likely won’t be out until 2022 and we’ll have to settle for the Zen2 based Van Gogh in 2021.

A lot of things will probably beat it at performance, but not at lot of them will beat at GTX 1060 as well as Core i5 performance using only 26.5W of power while doing it.

The performance of the M1 is remarkable, but the real killer feature is they managed to push that much performance while reducing power consumption.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by byefruit »

Applejinx wrote: post #26
windexh8er wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing is RAM. Apple still has delusions of gimping it's buyers into 16/32GB for "Pro" level machines. I'd probably buy a 16" MBP with this chip if I could get it with socketed 64/128GB. But Apple's going to solder it to the board and charge a premium even if they did.

Rules change. I've got one of the 16GB RAM Macbook Pros. They've got it acting like it's L2 cache instead of RAM as we know it, so the place where you need more than 128G becomes, well, the SSD, your mass storage. These things already don't act as if it's RAM as we're used to considering it. They could probably have shipped the first ones with 4G RAM and had 'em act relatively normal… with heavy stuff like 4K video e…

Do you have any evidence for this claim? The actual concrete performance numbers for the M1 and Zen3 don't agree with you at all:

M1: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16252/latency-m1_575px.png

Zen3: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16214/lat-5950.png

If anything the M1's ram has _higher_ latency than the Zen3.

(Can't reply to the sibling comment but Intel's numbers are even better: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16214/lat-10900.png)

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by alberth »

akmarinov wrote: post #32
alberth wrote: post #15

Release Date? Apple can take a few different paths to this “M1X” release. They can A. Release in Spring. Use the current cpu & node generation tech, and add cores. B. Release in Fall. Use the now old (2020) cpu & old node, and add cores. C. Release in Fall. Use the now new (2021) cpu, new node generation - and add cores. Will be curious to see which path they take. I’d bet Option B. This would be similar to what’s cu…

Probably in June with WWDC, if they follow historic trends.

Wouldn't this follow the iPad Pro release date trend of Spring releases.

Will also be curious to see if these new MacBook Pro (M1X) will be the exactly same as what's used in the new iPad Pro.

Re: MacBook Pro M1X benchmarks have leaked

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Post by zamadatix »

izacus wrote: post #35
snicksnak wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that Apple ditched Intel for their own Apple Silicon chips it makes more sense comparing them (for now).

Why? The MacBooks aren't competing against their previous iterations (since you can't buy them anymore), but against their non-Apple competition. When you'll be buying a new laptop, you won't be choosing between a 2018 MacBook and a 2021 MacBook, but between 2021 MacBook and offerings from Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft and others.

The latest 13" x86 MacBook Pro released less than 1 year ago and is still for sale.
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