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Who are the culture heroes of today?

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Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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if your entire definition of culture is an alt-right on ramp, then sure

Everything on that list is mainstream. If you define that as an alt-right on ramp then you’re probably disconnected from a large part of our society.

That's not mainstream, it's just moron fodder that Youtube recommends to young white males. That list is a reflection of cultural decay, a vacuum where charlatans consume the empty intellectual space.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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I feel like this article is missing a key point: the impact of social media on cultural "heroes." I genuinely feel like I'm talking to someone from another culture when I chat with people 10 years younger than me. Most of them are heavy into Tik Tok, Instagram, etc. Their music icons, fashion icons, acting icons, activism icons, and business icons are mostly people I have never heard about. I think this article is an…

> With the exception of Elon Musk and Bill Gates, I can't think of any "business" heroes that most people outside of the academic/tech social bubble would be familiar with. Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, (when he was alive) Steve Jobs, and maybe Jeff Bezos are probably the only other business people of the era that most people would recognize. Now Zuckerberg would probably not be seen in a good light by most people…

The interesting thing is that my generation (mid-twenties) and younger seem to view all those names as villains. I'm quite interested in all the people you listed for their achievements, but I feel like most of my friends are more interested in their shortcomings.

Buffett is a "rich old white dude." Zuckerberg is evil. Jobs was sexist and a crappy father. Bezos is taking over the world and also evil.

It's an odd trend in my generation to eagerly try to dismantle any respect earned by people who belong to older generations. On one hand, I appreciate that people are more skeptical of treating rich people like gods. On the other hand, the constant judging of character feels uncomfortably close to the cult-like religion I grew up with.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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I'll talk about those (heroes/villains) who single handedly changed the trajectory of entire domains and the culture around it. (for better or for worse).

* Narendra Modi - Modi is a phenomenon. You have to visit India to realize the extent to which everything revolves around him. A tier of popularity that was reserved for a Gandhi before this. The only man in India who can use the word 'privatization' without being cancelled. Did things that were considered political suicide (370 abolishment, Ram mandir, triple talak, now the Farm Bill).

* Arnab Goswami - changed the entire TV news landscape of India. Uprooted an entire entrenched industry and redefined what 24hr TV looks like for the whole country.

* The Viral Fever (a group) - Spearheaded the rise of stand up comedy in India. It had been simmering underground, until their comedy skits blew the entire industry up in a matter of months. It was all everyone talked about for a 2 yr. span in the early 2010s. The industry has risen at an incredible pace (thanks Netflix) and now a 'normal' way to spend a weekend evening in urban India.

* Netflix founders - Duh

* Boris Johnson - Brexit was THAT big of a deal

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything on that list is mainstream. If you define that as an alt-right on ramp then you’re probably disconnected from a large part of our society.

That's not mainstream, it's just moron fodder that Youtube recommends to young white males. That list is a reflection of cultural decay, a vacuum where charlatans consume the empty intellectual space.

There are millions of forgotten (and fatherless) people, who suffer from depression, aimlessness, lack of discipline, nihilism, addiction, self-loathing and self pity. JP, speaks to those people and encourages them to find power through inner strength, personal responsibility, and discipline and not from from oppressing others or joining a mob. I am a middle aged, wealthy, Latino, liberal, atheist (i.e., not the stereotype mentioned in your comment) JP fan and would appreciate a coherent criticism. What am I missing ? Your above reply didn't add any clarity to this discussion.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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I'll talk about those (heroes/villains) who single handedly changed the trajectory of entire domains and the culture around it. (for better or for worse). * Narendra Modi - Modi is a phenomenon. You have to visit India to realize the extent to which everything revolves around him. A tier of popularity that was reserved for a Gandhi before this. The only man in India who can use the word 'privatization' without being…

I’d take issue with Boris Johnson there. If the issue is Brexit I honestly think Nigel Farage would have better claim to the crown. Boris is a largely ineffectual leader that goes wherever the wind is blowing. Farage, for his many sins, was pushing Brexit on day one.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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Culture can be defined as the qualities that make one society, whether separated by space or time, notably distinct from another. With that said: * Joe Rogan: Podcasting is now a legitimate profession and long form interviews are common. * Joe Rogan: Juijitsu and MMA were previously obscure. * The former U.S. President: Never compromise, form a strong opinion without any or few facts, and never admit mistakes. We now…

I think you’re attributing a lot to a few there. Absolutely Joe Rogan helped make podcasts the phenomenon they are today, but so did a whole lot of other people. Same with PG and Altman: “startup culture” exists outside of their influence.

I guess my metric is “if they didn’t exist, would their achievements have still happened?”. I’d argue with PG and Rogan they would have, but that Trump would not. Another I’d include on that list is Steve Jobs.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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post #33

I'll talk about those (heroes/villains) who single handedly changed the trajectory of entire domains and the culture around it. (for better or for worse). * Narendra Modi - Modi is a phenomenon. You have to visit India to realize the extent to which everything revolves around him. A tier of popularity that was reserved for a Gandhi before this. The only man in India who can use the word 'privatization' without being…

As a dirty gora, Indian stand-up comedy is one of the most infuriating things in existence. Video title in English. Start of the routine is in English. Then just before delivering the punch line, the comedian invariably performs a full 180 and switches language to Hindi or Telugu or something. The whole audience erupts into laughter and you're left there not even knowing why.

Re: Who are the culture heroes of today?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything on that list is mainstream. If you define that as an alt-right on ramp then you’re probably disconnected from a large part of our society.

>Sam Altman and PG you think YC is mainstream? outside of tech absolutely no one knows what it is (let alone sam altman and paul graham). it's fair to say that, outside of joe rogan and trump, the other names on this person's list are not mainstream (jordan peterson is not well known outside of a very small group of people).

I have a blue collar factory job. But I know who all these people are
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