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TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by quarantine »

djohnston wrote: post #9

As I click my 10,000th cookie modal to read this article, I am forced to ask if this legislation has made my web experience better in any way, to which the answer is a resounding no. I understand the importance of it, but please prioritise revising its shortcomings rather than doubling down on being the most tech-hostile region in the developed world.

There is work underway to improve the cookie modal situation: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/proposal-epriv...

Please also remember that the GDPR is also applicable outside the internet, and protects people from IRL data gathering.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by Deukhoofd »

djohnston wrote: post #9

As I click my 10,000th cookie modal to read this article, I am forced to ask if this legislation has made my web experience better in any way, to which the answer is a resounding no. I understand the importance of it, but please prioritise revising its shortcomings rather than doubling down on being the most tech-hostile region in the developed world.

They are reworking the cookie law, it's just a complex piece of legislation. They are aware of its shortcomings, and want to tackle them through an enforced browser setting.

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/proposal-epriv...

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by Mistletoe »

djohnston wrote: post #9

As I click my 10,000th cookie modal to read this article, I am forced to ask if this legislation has made my web experience better in any way, to which the answer is a resounding no. I understand the importance of it, but please prioritise revising its shortcomings rather than doubling down on being the most tech-hostile region in the developed world.

Training older people and non tech literate people to just randomly click yes on every website has to be one of the greatest fails of the GDPR. I would say that people are even less safe now. Cookies, while annoying and privacy-eroding, never hacked someone's system like clicking yes to installing God knows what malware will do. We had just trained everyone to not do that.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by tester756 »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #7

I have always promised myself that if I become a billionare, I will simply stop providing services to municipalities or countries that create arbitrary laws that make it hard or difficult to do business in. Honestly Google should have just boycotted Europe for a week and seen how well everyone handles not having gmail, google, or anything. California is particularly onerous about all sorts of stuff like labelling eve…

You better weight your dreams, because I believe that it's definitely possible that EU would just say fuck yourself to Google, started using Bing meanwhile creating viable Search Engine and US' competitive advantage would be gone

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Post by ploika »

djohnston wrote: post #9

As I click my 10,000th cookie modal to read this article, I am forced to ask if this legislation has made my web experience better in any way, to which the answer is a resounding no. I understand the importance of it, but please prioritise revising its shortcomings rather than doubling down on being the most tech-hostile region in the developed world.

I'm all for hostility to tech that's unnecessarily invasive and privacy-destroying.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by planb »

djohnston wrote: post #9

As I click my 10,000th cookie modal to read this article, I am forced to ask if this legislation has made my web experience better in any way, to which the answer is a resounding no. I understand the importance of it, but please prioritise revising its shortcomings rather than doubling down on being the most tech-hostile region in the developed world.

That law is a very bad execution on a very good idea. Simply making adherence to a do-not-track header mandatory would have solved the same problem without annoying anyone.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by reaperducer »

Zenst wrote: post #4

Title wrong as it's EU - not Europe, but many confuse and transpose them - even though they are not verbatim. EDIT Add - Europe is composed of 44 countries and the EU is composed of 27 from those.

Title wrong as it's EU - not Europe, but many confuse and transpose them - even though they are not verbatim.

No different than European publications seeing something happening in a small town in a small county in a rural part of Texas and writing "Look what's happening in America!" headlines.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by GrantZvolsky »

Firebrand wrote: post #22

How does TikTok moderate their content anyway? Do they just have a massive amount of people scrolling through user reported videos looking for violations? Being primarily video based and having the lowest barrier to upload seems like it would be a recipe for disaster.

Video upload may be instant but the video doesn't get indexed without a review.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by reaperducer »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #7

I have always promised myself that if I become a billionare, I will simply stop providing services to municipalities or countries that create arbitrary laws that make it hard or difficult to do business in. Honestly Google should have just boycotted Europe for a week and seen how well everyone handles not having gmail, google, or anything. California is particularly onerous about all sorts of stuff like labelling eve…

I have always promised myself that if I become a billionare, I will simply stop providing services to municipalities or countries that create arbitrary laws that make it hard or difficult to do business in.

So you've decided to limit yourself to not doing business on planet Earth, or becoming a Bond villain. Interesting choice.

Re: TikTok hit with consumer law breaches complaints across Europe

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Post by simion314 »

kyrra wrote: post #20
Nextgrid wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't the legislation but its lack of enforcement. The legislation itself explicitly prohibits annoying/misleading consent prompts.

I disagree. Pop-up fatigue causes people to just click the button that will get them to their content the fastest. While some people might dive into trying to opt out, when you get these pop-ups on every other site, many people are going to click the easiest button to make it go away. This is a poor law because it has to be done on every website. I think it may be better to have this as a decision the user chooses on…

GDPR is not only about the browsers , it is applied outside of tech too, would be weird for the law to define browser standards . desktop apps standards and mobile apps standards. Developers should do their job, does w3c guys could decide how to handle this and not force politicians to decide for them.

Sure some people will click accept but some of them will know who is the actual bad guy that sends their data to 100+ third parties and what websites are respecting them or at least respect the laws.

I agree that browsers could do a better job, maybe implement a shit list, put all shitty websites there and ask you only once if you want to accept to allow this bastards to track and sell your data or if you want to open the website in a special container. Then if you decide to use the container the browsers should try to do their best to limit the tracking, maybe by blocking requests to the trackers, clearing caches often, disabling some features that could fingerprint you and if it works just disable JS.

But who knows, maybe we will have to pass laws to force the popups to use certain fonts, colors and input types because the majority of websites are evil.

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