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B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#31

That store is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I hope it dies along with all the other bougie bullshit in there. Most of it barely works and is unnecessary even if it were to work perfectly.

How is this relevant to the article? Even if you don't care about the business it's traumatizing for people involved to be robbed at gunpoint. Do you not care because you don't like the store?

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#32
post #6

I'm not sure how you solve this. They stock products that are smallish, and easily convertible to cash, so robberies are going to happen. The Devialet speaker in the article is a good example. Retails for over $3k, and weighs 12kg.

Seems like you solve this by only having stores in lower-crime areas.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#33
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, police are more likely to focus on corporate property crimes than violent crime. It seems to be a sick game of incentives gone wrong... the police department just needs to grow, so it needs more money. So it protects the corporate taxpayer over everyday victims.

But this very case is an example of a corporate taxpayer getting screwed over by municipal indifference (to the point where they were hiring private security, but even that was not enough).

You're right, it does seem like a strong counterexample. But I'm not sure how cops would fix this one directly either - they surely can't station an officer at the store all the time.

Part of my point is that they spend so much time on things like traffic tickets and civil forfeiture, little time is left for actually prosecuting these criminals.

https://priceonomics.com/how-police-officers-seize-cash-from...

It's a big cultural change that could take months or years to see the difference in daily shoplifting amounts.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Could it be the extreme wealth and extreme poverty that the Bay Area has? We have California’s highest levels of income inequality, not sure how we compare with the rest of the us [1].

1: https://www.kqed.org/news/11799308/bay-area-has-highest-inco...

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#35
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Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. In the Covid era, tourists are not present in the quantities required to sustain various career populations, including criminals. Guns aren’t really necessary in SF, so there may be some gang initiation threshold.

I traveled to SF a number of times with work 2 years ago. I'm not trying to sound like a smug social democratic European, but I couldn't get over the homelessness, the petty vandalism, the rubbish, and the overall air of menace in the place.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. Not anymore they won't. And you think criminals from outside the city/state don't know that people have no guns there? That's attractive to anyone trying to break the law.

Do people really travel any kind of distance to commit crimes? I thought that most crimes were committed in one's own neighborhood, then nearby ones.

I just started reading Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood"[0] - I'm only a few pages in so please no spoilers.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Cold_Blood

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

#37
post #5

I wonder if the Union square Apple store has this issue, or if PR keeps it hush. I'd imagine it would be really bad for business if customers found out, and they print money at that location

There is almost always a cop there. I walk by pretty frequently and I can't recall seeing it open without a cop. Could be wrong - not exactly casing the joint on my lunch walks.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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post #37
post #5

I wonder if the Union square Apple store has this issue, or if PR keeps it hush. I'd imagine it would be really bad for business if customers found out, and they print money at that location

There is almost always a cop there. I walk by pretty frequently and I can't recall seeing it open without a cop. Could be wrong - not exactly casing the joint on my lunch walks.

Sounds like a protection racket. You have the choice of paying for a cop to protect your property or getting robbed.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

> Why do the stores in SF attract violent crime compared to, say, a store in another West Coast city?

Because the people of San Francisco allow it.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF leads in all areas of innovation, including crime. In the Covid era, tourists are not present in the quantities required to sustain various career populations, including criminals. Guns aren’t really necessary in SF, so there may be some gang initiation threshold.

I traveled to SF a number of times with work 2 years ago. I'm not trying to sound like a smug social democratic European, but I couldn't get over the homelessness, the petty vandalism, the rubbish, and the overall air of menace in the place.

This is a fair characterization, particularly for the parts of the city you were likely to see on any business trip. There’s both better and worse in other parts.
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