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Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

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Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From September 2020 I had to work at an Amazon Warehouse in the UK. Nightshift. Our shifts were 4 x 10.5 with two 30 mins breaks (which you only got paid for one!) It was absolute shite and the toughest job I've ever done but, hey, I kept my roof over my head. It's not nice but unfortunately when you don't have a job and prospects suck then they hold all the cards :(

Thats not an accident. Offshoring and immigration have killed the ability of labor to walk when given terrible choices like this.

Not agreeing or disagreeing with this take, but it's not an uncommon one and shouldn't be so downvoted. Bernie Sanders himself was singing a similar tune for most of the last 20 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/16/years-ber...

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

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That would be illegal in Germany: your regular work hours must not exceed 8hrs per day.

What about the fact it's in the middle of the night? I'd much rather work longer hours during the day than start at 2 am.

8 hours of work already mean about 10 hours dedicated to work, including commute and preparation. It’s 18 hours if you include sleeping and you only have 6 hours left for “recreation,” which must also include personal errands, cooking and cleaning.

If you work 10/12 hour shifts you have no life. No wonder people await the weekend like it’s air.

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#33

American culture is optimized for consumers. When you're a consumer, it's a great thing: customer service, return policies, payment methods, and the entire process of buying stuff is leaps and bounds above somewhere like the European Union. When you're a worker, though, no one particularly cares about you. If a CEO can squeeze more profit out of his workforce by forcing them to work odd hours at the drop of a hat, he…

I sympathize with these workers. But if this can be seen an indictment of American culture, then all in all, maybe things aren't so bad. I worked a construction job for a summer in Chile where we had 12-hour shifts, 5 days a week, and every week we alternated between day (8am-8pm) and night (8pm-8am) shifts. And I had it easy, because I lived close to the site - a lot of the other workers had 1+ hour commutes each way.

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#34

I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff. My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option. Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days. Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

4x10 is almost as bad as 5x8. 4x8 would be a real improvement.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#35

American culture is optimized for consumers. When you're a consumer, it's a great thing: customer service, return policies, payment methods, and the entire process of buying stuff is leaps and bounds above somewhere like the European Union. When you're a worker, though, no one particularly cares about you. If a CEO can squeeze more profit out of his workforce by forcing them to work odd hours at the drop of a hat, he…

I sympathize with these workers. But if this can be seen an indictment of American culture, then all in all, maybe things aren't so bad. I worked a construction job for a summer in Chile where we had 12-hour shifts, 5 days a week, and every week we alternated between day (8am-8pm) and night (8pm-8am) shifts. And I had it easy, because I lived close to the site - a lot of the other workers had 1+ hour commutes each wa…

Except America, the most dominate economic power in the history of the world, should be compared with other first-world developed countries, not Chile.

Having the American middle class move backwards is not exactly an accomplishment.

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#36
This is a great example of how labor laws in the US are weak (deal with this sudden, dramatic change to your schedule or you're fired). It is also an example of how employers take great advantage of those weak labor laws. It is not, however, an example of how big corporations are evil. There's plenty of examples of that out there, this just isn't one. But for some reason is is surprisingly common for people to blame companies for following the law instead of blaming the actual culprit - the (arguably) bad laws made by (arguably) bad lawmakers. You see this everywhere, but for some reason it's especially common on HN.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#37
post #34

I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff. My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option. Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days. Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

4x10 is almost as bad as 5x8. 4x8 would be a real improvement.

Do I hear 3x6? How about 2x4 or 1x2?

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#38
post #34

I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff. My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option. Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days. Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).

4x10 is almost as bad as 5x8. 4x8 would be a real improvement.

> 4x8 would be a real improvement.

3x7 is where its at.

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#39

Serious question: if these jobs are so awful, and they do sound awful, why are people taking them? I can think of several possible answers, but I haven't the faintest clue which ones are (most) right.

Because both parties -- whatever their outward platform is -- have sold out the working class over time. This leaves the working class with few options, especially in geographies w/o a deep pool of jobs.

People are taking these jobs because it is the least worst job.

Re: Amazon Is Forcing Its Warehouse Workers into Brutal 'Megacycle' Shifts

#40

This is a great example of how labor laws in the US are weak (deal with this sudden, dramatic change to your schedule or you're fired). It is also an example of how employers take great advantage of those weak labor laws. It is not, however, an example of how big corporations are evil. There's plenty of examples of that out there, this just isn't one. But for some reason is is surprisingly common for people to blame…

I don't do lots of bad things, even though I have the legal right to do so. Is it so much to ask the same of Amazon?
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