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Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by youngtaff »

geerlingguy wrote: post #19

There are a few people currently working on NAS boards based on the CM4. A few different approaches in terms of chipsets used and performance targets. I'm trying to track them in this GitHub issue [1] but a couple people have remained more or less anonymous as they don't want to attract attention too early. The single PCIe lane is the biggest limitation if you're looking for raw speed (350 MB/sec is kind of the upper…

Have you come across anyone producing a PoE board for the CM4 - just looking for a network port, USB and perhaps SD card (similar to a Ubquiti Cloud Key)?

(the Gumstix camera board is overkill for my needs)

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by znpy »

m3at wrote: post #25
znpy wrote: post #7

I wouldnt trust my data with this kind of devices. There's nothing wrong per se, but I have my doubts about how easy you can find replacement parts if something breaks in, say, a year or two. If you really depend on your data and want it to be safe, i'd recommend spending the extra money and either getting a proper nas (synology/qnap) or go the proper diy way (aka an x86 box and truenas/unraid). you really don't want…

For the DIY way, I recommend the Helios64 if you're looking for an ARM SBC with a complete NAS package: https://kobol.io/

I have seen that, it's a really nice alternative.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

geerlingguy wrote: post #19

There are a few people currently working on NAS boards based on the CM4. A few different approaches in terms of chipsets used and performance targets. I'm trying to track them in this GitHub issue [1] but a couple people have remained more or less anonymous as they don't want to attract attention too early. The single PCIe lane is the biggest limitation if you're looking for raw speed (350 MB/sec is kind of the upper…

80MB/sec is actually quite fine for most NAS applications.

Anyone trying to get 10G speeds out of a high end NAS won’t be looking to Raspberry Pi solutions right now, anyway.

The real advantage, IMO, is that this helps kick off the popularity of DIY NAS solutions based on ARM hardware. It’s not the first solution in this space, but Raspberry Pi is great for taking things mainstream.

I imagine that a few years from now we’ll have an even faster Raspberry Pi to build a NAS around. These current-gen solutions might be just what we need to get the software sorted out before the powerful hardware arrives.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by tutfbhuf »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #26
88 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably that board will need a separate PSU, RAM, storage for a boot drive, etc? Also it only has two SATA ports so would need a PCIe expansion card to match the four ports offered by the Pi board? I suspect the Pi is also significantly more power efficient?

There are similar motherboards with 4 SATA ports. I have an older Gigabyte GA-J3455N-D3H with 4 SATA ports and two gigabit network controllers that cost in the same ballpark as GP's model. RAM is accounted for in GP's description. Regarding the boot drive, you can either boot from the data disks (say via a common ZFS pool or a common raid + lvm) or if you're happy with a SD card for the PI, I suppose a small USB driv…

> Regarding the PSU, but you'd need a beefy adapter anyway for running 4 drives

How about 2.5 inch drives? I'm thinking about: https://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/A300/RPI_NAS_4XSAT...

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by _ea1k »

smarx007 wrote: post #17

Nothing against cool RPi projects but be aware that a motherboard with a NAS-grade Celeron, like ASRock J4105M, sells for $85 or so (but needs RAM, $20 for 4GB roughly). At $105, this leaves this carrier board around $35 of budget if you can get RPi CM4 4GB for $70. Plus all the doubts about reliability mentioned above.

I've noticed this regularly with RPi projects. They are interesting, but the costs are often at least as high as an, often more powerful, x86 equivalent.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by roseway4 »

tutfbhuf wrote: post #34
vladvasiliu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are similar motherboards with 4 SATA ports. I have an older Gigabyte GA-J3455N-D3H with 4 SATA ports and two gigabit network controllers that cost in the same ballpark as GP's model. RAM is accounted for in GP's description. Regarding the boot drive, you can either boot from the data disks (say via a common ZFS pool or a common raid + lvm) or if you're happy with a SD card for the PI, I suppose a small USB driv…

> Regarding the PSU, but you'd need a beefy adapter anyway for running 4 drives How about 2.5 inch drives? I'm thinking about: https://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/A300/RPI_NAS_4XSAT...

I went looking for 2.5 inch NAS/ video recorder drives this past weekend and came up empty handed. I’d hoped to install them into a mini-pc NVR. The form-factor doesn’t appear to lend itself to the reliability drive manufacturers target for this class of drive. They’re optimized for high write speeds and very high write loads. You can of course use consumer laptop drives in a NAS, but write speeds will be lower and reliability may suffer.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

youngtaff wrote: post #31
geerlingguy wrote: post #19

There are a few people currently working on NAS boards based on the CM4. A few different approaches in terms of chipsets used and performance targets. I'm trying to track them in this GitHub issue [1] but a couple people have remained more or less anonymous as they don't want to attract attention too early. The single PCIe lane is the biggest limitation if you're looking for raw speed (350 MB/sec is kind of the upper…

Have you come across anyone producing a PoE board for the CM4 - just looking for a network port, USB and perhaps SD card (similar to a Ubquiti Cloud Key)? (the Gumstix camera board is overkill for my needs)

Why not use the regular Raspberry Pi 4 with the PoE module?

The CM4 is only useful in most cases if you want to use the PCIe bus for something else, or if you’re trying to embed it in another product.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by tutfbhuf »

roseway4 wrote: post #36
tutfbhuf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regarding the PSU, but you'd need a beefy adapter anyway for running 4 drives How about 2.5 inch drives? I'm thinking about: https://cdn-reichelt.de/bilder/web/xxl_ws/A300/RPI_NAS_4XSAT...

I went looking for 2.5 inch NAS/ video recorder drives this past weekend and came up empty handed. I’d hoped to install them into a mini-pc NVR. The form-factor doesn’t appear to lend itself to the reliability drive manufacturers target for this class of drive. They’re optimized for high write speeds and very high write loads. You can of course use consumer laptop drives in a NAS, but write speeds will be lower and r…

> speeds will be lower and reliability may suffer

1Gbps is the max. anyways for my home setup, no matter how fast the drive is and I have a backup for important stuff, I'm not dependent on enterprise NAS drives.

I want: extremely small, low cost and very low watt usage.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

_ea1k wrote: post #35
smarx007 wrote: post #17

Nothing against cool RPi projects but be aware that a motherboard with a NAS-grade Celeron, like ASRock J4105M, sells for $85 or so (but needs RAM, $20 for 4GB roughly). At $105, this leaves this carrier board around $35 of budget if you can get RPi CM4 4GB for $70. Plus all the doubts about reliability mentioned above.

I've noticed this regularly with RPi projects. They are interesting, but the costs are often at least as high as an, often more powerful, x86 equivalent.

Keep in mind that the original goal of the Raspberry Pi foundation was directed toward education.

Raspberry Pi has inspired a lot of people to get their hands dirty with Linux and embedded systems, even if it’s not the optimal device from a pure engineering perspective.

In that regard, I’d call the Raspberry Pi a resounding success.

Re: Build a Raspberry Pi CM4 4-Bay NAS with Wiretrustee Carrier Board

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Post by youngtaff »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #37
youngtaff wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you come across anyone producing a PoE board for the CM4 - just looking for a network port, USB and perhaps SD card (similar to a Ubquiti Cloud Key)? (the Gumstix camera board is overkill for my needs)

Why not use the regular Raspberry Pi 4 with the PoE module? The CM4 is only useful in most cases if you want to use the PCIe bus for something else, or if you’re trying to embed it in another product.

The existing PoE module is noisy as hell, and due to it's design it's a PITA to fit a different fan

CM4 on a PoE baseboard offers far more cooling options

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