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Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by superkuh »

freebuju wrote: post #30
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the top 3 alternative ways to do GNU/Linux without systemd?

Genuinely curious, for both casual and advanced users, what *major* reasons are there for not using systemd? I've used systemd for years bug-free

Something I can't accept is the use of binary logs and the requirement for programs to access the contents of the logs.

Yes, most distros will put compatibility layers in place and create text "logs" in parallel. But if everyone is doing that maybe systemd's paradigm isn't right for the desktop even if it's great for servers.

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by jcelerier »

theamk wrote: post #19

Reminder about alternatives: For the less extreme case, when you want mostly one distro, but also a few packages from another one, there is “alien” [0] which converts between different package formats. It sometimes needs help with system integration or dependencies, but occasionally “just works” For a more extreme case, there is a schroot (or a docker container) with /home, audio and X mapped in. Works surprisingly w…

I also like junest, which gives a archlinux userspace very easily on any other Linux. Pretty useful when you want the latest GCC, clang, etc.. but don't have an hour to loose to find the right configure flags.

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by aszen »

theamk wrote: post #19

Reminder about alternatives: For the less extreme case, when you want mostly one distro, but also a few packages from another one, there is “alien” [0] which converts between different package formats. It sometimes needs help with system integration or dependencies, but occasionally “just works” For a more extreme case, there is a schroot (or a docker container) with /home, audio and X mapped in. Works surprisingly w…

Another solid alternative is to install the nix package manager[0] and get access to thousands of packages.

I have stopped installing stuff from apt and thankfully my system never breaks now.

[0] https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by rgomez »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #21
ChuckMcM wrote: post #5

I think they should just say "An easy way to get Linux without systemd" and they would drive a lot of adoption. :-)

What are the top 3 alternative ways to do GNU/Linux without systemd?

I tried Gentoo and Artix, both being a very good experience. Some minor issues with laptop suspension and lightdm session handling in Artix tho. Flawless behavior with Gentoo, pity that an update broke my system a while ago.

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

#36

Post by staticassertion »

superkuh wrote: post #31
freebuju wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely curious, for both casual and advanced users, what *major* reasons are there for not using systemd? I've used systemd for years bug-free

Something I can't accept is the use of binary logs and the requirement for programs to access the contents of the logs. Yes, most distros will put compatibility layers in place and create text "logs" in parallel. But if everyone is doing that maybe systemd's paradigm isn't right for the desktop even if it's great for servers.

Binary logs sound like a good thing to me since in most cases I want to just ship them off, and if I don't, a local consumer that can parse is just fine.

Is there something I'm missing?

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by isitdopamine »

aszen wrote: post #34
theamk wrote: post #19

Reminder about alternatives: For the less extreme case, when you want mostly one distro, but also a few packages from another one, there is “alien” [0] which converts between different package formats. It sometimes needs help with system integration or dependencies, but occasionally “just works” For a more extreme case, there is a schroot (or a docker container) with /home, audio and X mapped in. Works surprisingly w…

Another solid alternative is to install the nix package manager[0] and get access to thousands of packages. I have stopped installing stuff from apt and thankfully my system never breaks now. [0] https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs

I don't understand. I am sure the nix repository is quite large, as are Debian's and Fedora's ones. But how would nix help you mixing packages from different repositories, which is Bedrock Linux use case?

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by The_rationalist »

theamk wrote: post #19

Reminder about alternatives: For the less extreme case, when you want mostly one distro, but also a few packages from another one, there is “alien” [0] which converts between different package formats. It sometimes needs help with system integration or dependencies, but occasionally “just works” For a more extreme case, there is a schroot (or a docker container) with /home, audio and X mapped in. Works surprisingly w…

From my experience alien is not reliable

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by enriquto »

freebuju wrote: post #30
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the top 3 alternative ways to do GNU/Linux without systemd?

Genuinely curious, for both casual and advanced users, what *major* reasons are there for not using systemd? I've used systemd for years bug-free

> what major reasons are there for not using systemd?

    ps aux | wc -l

Re: Bedrock Linux – a meta Linux distribution

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Post by perryizgr8 »

staticassertion wrote: post #36
superkuh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something I can't accept is the use of binary logs and the requirement for programs to access the contents of the logs. Yes, most distros will put compatibility layers in place and create text "logs" in parallel. But if everyone is doing that maybe systemd's paradigm isn't right for the desktop even if it's great for servers.

Binary logs sound like a good thing to me since in most cases I want to just ship them off, and if I don't, a local consumer that can parse is just fine. Is there something I'm missing?

How do you "ship off" .journal files? Whenever I do it either the timestamps are off or you can't read the file at all. I resort to `journalctl xyz.journal > xyz.log` and send the resulting text file to outside the system.
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