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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by didibus »

0xFFFE wrote: post #15
didibus wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly not seeing two sides sorry. So a few people are breaking laws, you disconnect the internet? That's not two sides, that's only one side. If someone in my neighborhood is a criminal, they don't cut the power to my neighborhood and throw flair bombs at it. How is that the "other side"? Instead they just go after that criminal. To me it looks like a massive imbalance in power from one side over the other.

I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest. But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence. Jfyi, there is already case in supreme court of India to hear the grievances that they may have. But some political leaders are taking advantage of the situation to incite violence. Please note, cops are human beings too, they have been asked not to…

> I am all for peaceful protests [...] But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence

Which one is it? So I'm peacefully protesting... And then someone ELSE two street away from me breaks a window... Am I not allowed to peacefully protest anymore?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by 0xFFFE »

middleclick wrote: post #27
0xFFFE wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest. But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence. Jfyi, there is already case in supreme court of India to hear the grievances that they may have. But some political leaders are taking advantage of the situation to incite violence. Please note, cops are human beings too, they have been asked not to…

> I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest They have been peaceful protesting for literally months now. One bad incident does not mean anything and there is a lot of information about how the government goons infiltrated the protests. If you are all for peaceful protests, you wouldn't single out one single incident but that's exactly what you are doing and I think…

> One bad incident does not mean anything Is it really? There are literally 100s of youtube videos of protesters damaging public property and attacking Police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqiwIbUzPyo

Here is a the Guardian link. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/violent-clashe...

Times now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kC7RPEniM

> there is a lot of information about how the government goons infiltrated the protests.

Can you cite a source?

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by throwawaysea »

systemvoltage wrote: post #29

Is it fair to say that the pandemic has brewed more protests than ever, not just in India but worldwide? It's not to diminish the issues, but the pandemic is adding fuel? Most countries around the world are facing protests all simultaneously after the pandemic (except China)?

Definitely. If people were employed and busy with either work or leisure activities, they would be less likely to choose to invest time into protests, particularly violent ones. The same is true for the George Floyd protests and all the numerous other protests we have seen - even if they did take place outside of a pandemic, the participation would be much smaller.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by 0xFFFE »

didibus wrote: post #31
0xFFFE wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest. But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence. Jfyi, there is already case in supreme court of India to hear the grievances that they may have. But some political leaders are taking advantage of the situation to incite violence. Please note, cops are human beings too, they have been asked not to…

> I am all for peaceful protests [...] But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence Which one is it? So I'm peacefully protesting... And then someone ELSE two street away from me breaks a window... Am I not allowed to peacefully protest anymore?

IF you were a cop, how would you differentiate between the two in that chaos? Your first objective would be to bring the situation under control before more people get hurt or more property gets damaged.

Just take a look at this video and tell me you will be able to differentiate. There are no "two" different streets here, just one big chaos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqiwIbUzPyo

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by middleclick »

0xFFFE wrote: post #32
middleclick wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest They have been peaceful protesting for literally months now. One bad incident does not mean anything and there is a lot of information about how the government goons infiltrated the protests. If you are all for peaceful protests, you wouldn't single out one single incident but that's exactly what you are doing and I think…

> One bad incident does not mean anything Is it really? There are literally 100s of youtube videos of protesters damaging public property and attacking Police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqiwIbUzPyo Here is a the Guardian link. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/violent-clashe... Times now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kC7RPEniM > there is a lot of information about how the government goons infilt…

Did you read your own links?

> Samyukta Kisan Morcha, an umbrella organisation representing more than 40 farmers’ unions, condemned those who had taken part in the clashes and said that “anti-social elements had infiltrated the otherwise peaceful movement”.

The organizers clearly condemned the violence. What else should they do?

Repeating what you conveniently ignored: one bad incident does not override months of completely peaceful protests, acknowledged by residents of the areas where they were protesting. And yet, you bring up just that one thing, which is very much in line with the government propaganda. The Republic link was the icing on the cake. Like I said, you are free to believe what you want but painting yourself as pro freedom of protests while ignoring the fact that they have been peaceful for months and singling out this one thing says a lot about your bias.

Source: https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/farmers-storm-india-s-red-fort-...

> The farmers have been staging largely peaceful protests for nearly two months

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by throwawaysea »

didibus wrote: post #10

Would this be legal in the US? It's one thing for a private entity to choose to not extend services to someone, but for the government to censor communication channels, I hope this would not be legal in the US?

It would be completely legal in the US to cutoff those acting illegally. The US also regularly compels private entities to do so. Warrants, subpoenas, national security letters, and other such mechanisms are means to compel public and private entities when the law is being broken. But that’s the key requirement, that someone is acting illegally.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by throwawaysea »

middleclick wrote: post #27
0xFFFE wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest. But not at the cost of damage to the public property, rioting and violence. Jfyi, there is already case in supreme court of India to hear the grievances that they may have. But some political leaders are taking advantage of the situation to incite violence. Please note, cops are human beings too, they have been asked not to…

> I am all for peaceful protests, the constitution has given every citizen the right to protest They have been peaceful protesting for literally months now. One bad incident does not mean anything and there is a lot of information about how the government goons infiltrated the protests. If you are all for peaceful protests, you wouldn't single out one single incident but that's exactly what you are doing and I think…

Do you have strong, proven evidence for infiltration? Otherwise this seems like the typical false flag conspiracy we always hear when protests turn violent. The reality is even those acting peacefully are providing cover for those acting violently among their ranks. They also often incite that violent fringe to action, and condone or overlook their actions. Silence is violence, right? And remaining silent on those using violence to achieve political goals - the very definition of terrorism - isn’t acceptable.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by 0xFFFE »

middleclick wrote: post #36
0xFFFE wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One bad incident does not mean anything Is it really? There are literally 100s of youtube videos of protesters damaging public property and attacking Police. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqiwIbUzPyo Here is a the Guardian link. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/violent-clashe... Times now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1kC7RPEniM > there is a lot of information about how the government goons infilt…

Did you read your own links? > Samyukta Kisan Morcha, an umbrella organisation representing more than 40 farmers’ unions, condemned those who had taken part in the clashes and said that “anti-social elements had infiltrated the otherwise peaceful movement”. The organizers clearly condemned the violence. What else should they do? Repeating what you conveniently ignored: one bad incident does not override months of com…

> Repeating what you conveniently ignored: one bad incident does not override months of completely peaceful protests

I am not the one conveniently forgetting violence at the Red fort. Let me ask you, why even protest when the Supreme court is hearing the case and Govt has agreed to put the law on hold for 1.5 years. Why violence & blocking highways? Why not take it up with Supreme Court?

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