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Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

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This is so bizarre. For those that aren't aware, Craig Steven Wright has publicly claimed to be Satoshi but failed to provide cryptographic proof as such, and uses his supposed identity as Satoshi to justify having a bunch of sketchily-acquired Bitcoin (I forget the full details here, it's been years). Even someone without much prior knowledge should be able to trivially deduce that this guy is a fraud: - The real Sa…

The real satoshi is probably Paul Le Roux, and currently in federal prison. > He had a fairly compelling paper that argued that Bitcoin's proof-of-work model was not some inefficient, climate-change-inducing wasteful system, but rather was a system that incentivized private firms to invest in the security of the network (resistance to double-spend, etc). Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’…

> Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’t pretend away one Chile of electricity use to play multiplayer excel.

It's horribly wasteful now. As the block reward decays it may transition to being less wasteful; it depends on how high transaction fees rise. Last time I tried to work it out the total electrical+transaction fee cost of bitcoin compared to spend volume (not including obvious change to self) was at about 1%. Almost comparable to current credit/debit network overhead, probably a lot more expensive than interbank transfer.

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think a guy smart enough to give birth to Bitcoin, and maintain complete anonymity while doing so and while communicating in public forums etc, would forget his private key? You just need to remember one seed and suddenly you have billions of dollars of value stored in your brain. I don't think that's a realistic possibility.

Sure why not! It was utterly worthless at the time (and today in my opinion) and we know plenty of people who lost multi tens of thousands of bitcoins. All it takes is spilling some coffee on your laptop.

> Sure why not!

For multiple reasons

> It was utterly worthless at the time

If you read what Satoshi wrote, he didn't think it would be worthless in the future at all.

> (and today in my opinion)

Your opinion is contradicted by reality

> we know plenty of people who lost multi tens of thousands of bitcoins.

They weren't the creators

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#33
post #15

If Craig Wright was Satoshi, he would be able to sign a statement proving that with the keys from the genesis block. Otherwise, he's just an obvious fraud.

A while ago he (this Craig Wright fraud) actually sat with one of the first people behind bitcoin development Gavin Andresen. Gavin was the main developer in the beginning chatting with satoshi in the forum. There was a video of Gavin saying that Craig proved to him that he was satoshi. But later seemed to have been part of some kind of social engineering - wasn't totally clear how he proved he could sign the keys.

Regardless the guys's behavior doesn't at all match Satoshi's behavior from the initial days in the forum (before he disappeared that is).

edit: video of Gavin saying Wright is satoshi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZyRMG2CjA

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real satoshi is probably Paul Le Roux, and currently in federal prison. > He had a fairly compelling paper that argued that Bitcoin's proof-of-work model was not some inefficient, climate-change-inducing wasteful system, but rather was a system that incentivized private firms to invest in the security of the network (resistance to double-spend, etc). Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’…

> Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’t pretend away one Chile of electricity use to play multiplayer excel. It's horribly wasteful now. As the block reward decays it may transition to being less wasteful; it depends on how high transaction fees rise. Last time I tried to work it out the total electrical+transaction fee cost of bitcoin compared to spend volume (not including obvious change…

Currently about $80 of electricity and goes into each transaction, which is socialized across all holders as inflation. It’s this incentive which keeps miners mining. Once the reward drops to zero, transaction fees will be born directly by parties to the transaction and will have to be high enough to stave off a 51% attack directly.

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure why not! It was utterly worthless at the time (and today in my opinion) and we know plenty of people who lost multi tens of thousands of bitcoins. All it takes is spilling some coffee on your laptop.

> Sure why not! For multiple reasons > It was utterly worthless at the time If you read what Satoshi wrote, he didn't think it would be worthless in the future at all. > (and today in my opinion) Your opinion is contradicted by reality > we know plenty of people who lost multi tens of thousands of bitcoins. They weren't the creators

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Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#36
post #13

As for why the Bitcoin Core developers were so quick to do this, the whitepaper has been a thorn in their side for years as it runs counter to the argument of Bitcoin being "digital gold" and should just be a settlement layer. So they saw this as an excuse to remove it.

I feel that /r/btc lunacy has made it's way to HN

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#37
post #33
post #15

If Craig Wright was Satoshi, he would be able to sign a statement proving that with the keys from the genesis block. Otherwise, he's just an obvious fraud.

A while ago he (this Craig Wright fraud) actually sat with one of the first people behind bitcoin development Gavin Andresen. Gavin was the main developer in the beginning chatting with satoshi in the forum. There was a video of Gavin saying that Craig proved to him that he was satoshi. But later seemed to have been part of some kind of social engineering - wasn't totally clear how he proved he could sign the keys. R…

Craig produced a proof on a computer he himself provided. Wouldn't have been hard to alter it to say whatever he wanted to.

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless satoshi lost his keys lol like virtually everyone else of that cohort.

You think a guy smart enough to give birth to Bitcoin, and maintain complete anonymity while doing so and while communicating in public forums etc, would forget his private key? You just need to remember one seed and suddenly you have billions of dollars of value stored in your brain. I don't think that's a realistic possibility.

Of course.

I know a lot of security phds who fall for phishing emails. The hugely likely outcome of btc was that it would end up worthless. "Oh crap, those keys were stored on that disk" after dropping it on the floor or having a laptop stolen is an entirely reasonable situation.

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#39
post #8

Isn't this guy literally billions in the hole to the estate of someone he claims was his partner in creating BTC, and who is co-owner of the Satoshi hoard of coins which haven't moved (ever)? Did that court case ever finish or is he still using every trick in the book to draw it out? (Kleiman v. Wright, that's what I'm thinking of) (Looks like it got kicked back to June this year due to covid)

Yes, that fraud

Re: Bitcoincore.org removes Satoshi's whitepaper from website after threats from CSW

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real satoshi is probably Paul Le Roux, and currently in federal prison. > He had a fairly compelling paper that argued that Bitcoin's proof-of-work model was not some inefficient, climate-change-inducing wasteful system, but rather was a system that incentivized private firms to invest in the security of the network (resistance to double-spend, etc). Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’…

> Well that’s obviously and trivially wrong so... I mean you can’t pretend away one Chile of electricity use to play multiplayer excel. It's horribly wasteful now. As the block reward decays it may transition to being less wasteful; it depends on how high transaction fees rise. Last time I tried to work it out the total electrical+transaction fee cost of bitcoin compared to spend volume (not including obvious change…

A nice collection of articles regarding bitcoin’s energy usage. Spoiler: it’s quite different than the narrative that’s out there: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/tags/energy-consumption
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