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This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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There are 3.5 million truck drivers in the US. What are 3.5 million people going to do if they're suddenly out of a job and have to change career completely? I am far from being a Trump supporter, but it would be easy for authoritarian politicians to ride to the White House on the grievances of millions of voters who had their livelihoods taken away from them by automation. Trump's promises to bring back manufacturin…

I agree. Liberals and most people in the tech space believe Trump got elected due to racism. It just is not the case. He got elected by being an opportunist and latching on to the real biggest issue in America, the decades of downward pressure and degradation of lower and middle class families.

There just are not enough opportunities for average or poor people to find meaningful quality work. Going to work as a cog at some global chain store will keep you alive barely but good luck being able to buy a home or have children.

Housing is through the roof, the education system is a scam using undischargable debt to turn our youth into indentured servants. Almost every American is 1 health care crisis away from bankruptcy. We are living in a powder keg.

I am seeing a lot of evictions where I live. Food bank lines are miles long.

It feels like identity politics are being used to distract us from how dire things are becoming for literally everyone not in the 1%

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If I block a road an autonomous truck is expecting to drive along, will it automatically reroute to another road? If it does, then these trucks are going to be very easy to rob simply by corralling them in to a quiet location..

Is truck robbery at gun point a huge problem currently? Already robbing trucks is pretty simple afaire, but there doesn't seem to be huge boom going on...

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post #19

I wonder how an autonomous truck responds when a tire blows

Presumably the same thing human trucks do and keep driving. 7/8 is within the safety margin and 2 blowouts on the same trip is extremely rare. That’s the reason for a dual tire setup as it’s designed for this kind of redundancy.

That is not the policy of drivers who wish to retain their CDL. Gradually disintegrating radials are a hazard to everyone on the road. It isn't as though blowouts are uncorrelated, anyway.

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post #32
post #2

If I block a road an autonomous truck is expecting to drive along, will it automatically reroute to another road? If it does, then these trucks are going to be very easy to rob simply by corralling them in to a quiet location..

Is truck robbery at gun point a huge problem currently? Already robbing trucks is pretty simple afaire, but there doesn't seem to be huge boom going on...

It's a bit more difficult with a person on board.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

#36

There are 3.5 million truck drivers in the US. What are 3.5 million people going to do if they're suddenly out of a job and have to change career completely? I am far from being a Trump supporter, but it would be easy for authoritarian politicians to ride to the White House on the grievances of millions of voters who had their livelihoods taken away from them by automation. Trump's promises to bring back manufacturin…

A common issue with automation, capitalism, etc. People may lose their job and will have to find something else to do, but if it's not a sudden transition, the amount of drivers will be reduced organically; it'd be a matter of less new vacancies opening up, and the career of driver becoming less attractive, so people will find something else.

It's a valid remark to make, since people lose their jobs to automation or outsourcing or whatnot all the time. But overall, global unemployment rates don't seem to be affected by new inventions, instead new jobs are invented all the time.

I mean a shit job that nobody should pursue as a career now is gig economy stuff; underpaid taxi driver / delivery person, there have to be millions doing these kinds of jobs now.

Anyway I do agree, not everyone can go for the high tech / high paid jobs. But the country can accommodate for it; give everyone equal opportunities by funding education (instead of relying on meritocratic scholarships and / or lifelong loans (the phrase indentured servitude comes to mind), do a state fund and set price limits on education). Make more jobs viable by raising the minimum wage, restricting the gig economy, setting work hours and day restrictions (e.g. 0 hour on-call contracts), basic worker protection laws and stuff. And finally, applying downward pressure on the cost of living so everyone can live comfortably regardless of job.

Everyone should be able to do a 40 hour work week if they choose to, no more than that unless they get paid 150%, and less if they choose to. And people working like that should be able to live in a reasonable distance from where they work.

The alternative is the "working poor", homelessness, working multiple jobs, working 80 hour weeks just to meet bare necessities, etc. This is already the reality for a lot of people.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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"This year"... kinda... This year there will be the first real tests run with no one in the cab. "By 2024,TuSimple plans to achieve Level 4 autonomy, meaning that its trucks will be able to operate without a human driver under limited conditions that may include time of day, weather, or premapped routes." Somehow I've managed to miss that trucks are better for this stuff not just because of the type of driving they d…

People also tend to give trucks a wider berth, or at least notice you more and respond more readily to your actions.

I’ve only ever owned small cars, and in the handful of times I’ve needed to drive a U-haul truck or similar the trip started with trepidation. But I quickly discovered that other drivers have a strong tendency (self-interested, of course) to help big trucks out.

Re: This Year, Autonomous Trucks Will Take to the Road with No One on Board

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post #9

I cannot believe that this isn't the foundation of autonomous driving: long hauls, highways, no stop signs, semi-controlled circumstances. The economics are more clear and industrialized. Even if a driver had to be present when they got off the highway, I think 'long haul' should be naturally the first thing to be tackled. And I'm surprised Walmart isn't leading the way, they should be.

But even semi-controlled isn't fully controlled.

I've always wondered about what happens when the system really gets off the 'happy path'. Maybe there's an accident, and police are directing traffic? Does the truck understand hand gestures (which aren't necessarily standardized)? Or maybe the police aren't there yet, damaged cars are blocking the road, and the truck may need to get out of the way for emergency services to arrive (possibly requiring going a little off road). These happen less on highways, but they still certainly happen, and not having a human in the loop can make things dramatically worse.

Do they have to stop at weigh stations? Do they understand the signage? I suppose most would have the system where you don't have to stop, but I don't know if all weigh stations support that.

There are lots of instances you can imagine that don't require driving skills, but actually require a general intelligence with knowledge of the world around them.

(I suppose you can have a command center where someone can take control or give commands to the truck. Sounds tricky but possible).

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If I block a road an autonomous truck is expecting to drive along, will it automatically reroute to another road? If it does, then these trucks are going to be very easy to rob simply by corralling them in to a quiet location..

Is truck robbery at gun point a huge problem currently? Already robbing trucks is pretty simple afaire, but there doesn't seem to be huge boom going on...

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