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Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Stop setting goals.

There's nothing wrong with setting goals. But you usually have to create a system to go along with the goals in order to achieve them. Having goals, though, can direct the systems you want to create for yourself.

Goals (for me) over the past few years:

1. Be able to play 140 minutes of soccer in one go without wanting to die (or feeling like I would).

2. Be able to stop taking a statin.

3. Get my blood pressure down from 130 over 90 to a healthy level (not critically high, but worrisome high)

4. Become a better GM for my bi-weekly RPG games

5. Become a better whole-system software developer/designer

Those are all goals I achieved, but in order to achieve them I established systems that enabled them. 1, 2, and 3 were created by a focus on always exercising MTWR, occasionally F (but that was left open for social events) and of specifically going to the grocery and shopping in specific sections (stay on the perimeter, ignore most aisles) and cooking at home. 4 was achieved by creating a habit of increasing fiction/RPG book reading and setting aside time to draw up/write down material for sessions so it was less improvised, but the fiction reading also gave inspiration for better improvisation. I also explicitly asked for feedback about sessions rather than letting players stew and be pissed at me because I made something too hard or seemed to be targeting a specific player. 5 was achieved by a similar approach, though around creating personal projects and reading technical content and carving out the time to do it. Creating various short term objectives (like being back in school) that would exercise specific areas I felt I was weak in, along with soliciting feedback from others (peers and managers).

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Christ I hate the word 'overwhelm'. It's SO jarring. It's like when people say "I'm feeling melancholy". NO! You're feeling melanchol ic ! You did something "on purpose" and not "purposely"! And the world is not full of overwhelm. It's full of emotional overload[1] perhaps. [1] https://www.dailywritingtips.com/overwhelm-is-a-verb-isnt-it... ).

"Overwhelm" is a fine word. It just isn't a noun.

From the post:

> The world is full of overwhelm.

This is a total grammar fail[1]. Ironic, perhaps, hopefully, but definitely unappealing.

[1] Phrasing chosen purposely, purposefully, and also on purpose. Sorry!

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Process beats goals.

Don't set a goal of running a marathon or losing x pounds/Kgs but rather run every day x distance and eat / don't eat every day x healthy food / y unhealthy food.

Once a process or habit is in place, you can look at goals and more ambitious processes. Small goals are good to start with and having huge life goals is fine (having a "purpose").

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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All of these present problems in different contexts Specific: This assumes that the picture you currently have of what you want is the thing you actually want. Do you want faster horse, a Model T, or swift reliable transportation of a form you've not yet imagined. Measurable: If you only value that which has a number, you'll lose sight of what truly matters in life because of the Streetlight Effect[1]. Consider the r…

I think you're assuming that long-term goals can't change. Just because I have a goal to do X in ten years, that doesn't mean I am forcibly committed to reaching X even if I no longer want to.

Let's say I have a vague dream of becoming a sailor. Consider these four scenarios:

- Scenario A: I make it an explicit goal. In year 1, I read some books, take a sailing class, and forgo some luxuries to start saving up for a boat. In year 2, I buy a boat and sail. Dream attained!

- Scenario B: I make no goal. In the absence of a concrete goal, I don't read or save in year 1. In year 2, I still long to sail but am no closer to getting there. Eventually I run out the clock on my life.

- Scenario C: I make it an explicit goal. In year 1, I read some books, take a sailing class, and forgo some luxuries to start saving up for a boat. In year 2, I decide I am no longer interested in sailing. I remove that long-term goal, and spend the money I saved on something else.

- Scenario D: I make no goal. In the absence of a concrete goal, I don't read or save in year 1. In year 2, I lose interest in sailing. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

The two failure modes are B and C. If you fail to pursue a long-term goal that doesn't change (B), you are eternally unfulfilled. If you pursue a dream that changes before you reach it (C), you have some lost opportunity cost for the work you put into that dream that is now not relevant.

For most people, the latter is a much smaller harm than the former. It's more rewarding to strive towards something meaningful even if it ends up not panning out than to abandon your dreams pre-emptively.

Of course, the ideal is A or D, but none of us have a time machine to determine who our future selves will become. So the only choice you can make today is A/C or B/D.

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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All of these present problems in different contexts Specific: This assumes that the picture you currently have of what you want is the thing you actually want. Do you want faster horse, a Model T, or swift reliable transportation of a form you've not yet imagined. Measurable: If you only value that which has a number, you'll lose sight of what truly matters in life because of the Streetlight Effect[1]. Consider the r…

>"If you only value that which has a number, you'll lose sight of what truly matters in life because of the Streetlight Effect[1]" I don't think that's the intent. The intent is to look back and see if you accomplished your goal or not. If you don't have a measurement, then you don't know if you've meet your goal. Something such as 'I want to be a good parent to my kid' Isn't specific, nor is it attainable. Setting a…

> I don't think that's the intend

Indeed, it is a possible unintended consequence if you're not reasonably aware of that risk.

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All great points. Is there any research that SMART goals work or are they just a management fad / anecdotally useful?

The point of SMART is that it's a framework to help you communicate your goals. They are often used in management because if someone says "i wanna build x" you and that person may have a different definition of what that means. If you agree on specifics and how you will measure done you've clearly communicated. If you can't communicate what you will deliver and by when how can someone know if you've done what you've…

yea. SMART is a tool with flaws that are more or less relevant in different contexts. Being aware of the flaws helps you use the tool better and helps you decide when to choose a different tool.

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Christ I hate the word 'overwhelm'. It's SO jarring. It's like when people say "I'm feeling melancholy". NO! You're feeling melanchol ic ! You did something "on purpose" and not "purposely"! And the world is not full of overwhelm. It's full of emotional overload[1] perhaps. [1] https://www.dailywritingtips.com/overwhelm-is-a-verb-isnt-it... ).

Note that a person who is likely to feel that way is also likely to be less well-equipped to predict your specific preferences for how to express that.

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Christ I hate the word 'overwhelm'. It's SO jarring. It's like when people say "I'm feeling melancholy". NO! You're feeling melanchol ic ! You did something "on purpose" and not "purposely"! And the world is not full of overwhelm. It's full of emotional overload[1] perhaps. [1] https://www.dailywritingtips.com/overwhelm-is-a-verb-isnt-it... ).

This article is the first time I've seen it used as a noun. It stopped me in my tracks (so I could duckduckgo it), then it made me consider that maybe the article wasn't written by a native English speaker, then (finally) I read the rest of the article.

Re: Setting goals for 2021 – A brief guide about personal goal setting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely agree with #2, especially with big goals (or what they call BHAG in the article). Seriously, go around and tell people that you want to write a new york times best seller and see what kind of reactions you get lol. Talk about destroying your motivation quickly.

I think it's a trap either way. The flip side can also be just as problematic. Having people sincerely wishing you the best, congratulating you on your initiative and dream-chasing tends makes it feel like you're doing something positive. All you've done, however, is talk about it and are already getting rewarded. That undermines real motivation to start/continue far too easily. Let those rewards come naturally and f…

There was a discussion here on HN perhaps 8 or 10 years ago that led me to realize I was doing essentially that. I talked about getting in shape and other goals, and got an emotional high (of a sort) from the response I got and from thinking about what I would do to get in shape and be able to do once I was in shape. But I never followed through.

Then I shut up about it, and actually got in shape. And when I ran into some people who I rarely saw, and they were shocked by my 40+ lb weight loss and how good I looked, I got that same emotional reward but also the actual reward of being in shape and being able to do the things I'd only imagined being able to do.

Now I discuss what I'm doing with some like minded friends and we keep each other accountable (Hey, how's the running going? Made it a full 10k yet?). But I don't discuss it with other people in general unless it's brought up by them. A kind of happy-medium between the talk-too-much and just-shut-up-and-work modes of operation.

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