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Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

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Re: Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

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I remember reading my bank's ToS at the time I was just out of the school. I read the whole piece, printed in font size 4 and the conclusion was like this: no matter what happens, it's my fault.

It doesn't matter what the TOCs are if they are presented at a gun point: a lot of services don't have alternatives and as much as I wouldn't cry for losing access to Reddit or YouTube,for some that would be the case.

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Ages ago I installed a shareware product. And it also had a scrollable "terms and condition" screen (about 2 pages long) when starting it for the first time. When you clicked the "I Agree" button too quickly it would ask you "Do you really agree to the terms you read in only 0.76 seconds?"

The problem is more that every single piece of software and website and such did this and required you actually read it you would get nothing done all day but read agreements. I think the issue is the very need for all these agreements to begin with, we all know almost no one reads them.

I did for a while in the beginning but now its just too much.

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It's all farcical, but it's pervasive because of the lawyers I guess. Even a supposedly design-first-consumer-friendly company like Apple has walls of tiny text to scroll through. If only Terms of Services could be upgraded to: 1. A simple, plain English/local language explanation in bullet points of what the software will be doing. Like how you would explain it to your parents. 2. A link to the legalese, so that cov…

The problem is the entire point is to hide all the nefarious things they can do with your data. Plenty of open source software has really straight forward agreements based on common terms but they can do that because they aren't working out scary ways to utilise your data to make money from you.

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Then the second biggest lie is: We use cookies to give you the best experience on our website. If you continue to use this site we will assume you are happy with it. [Ok] [No] [Privacy Policy] Actual text from the www.gdpr.eu cookie consent pop-up. =)

The biggest confusion I have with the modern web is why these cookie agreements never remember that Ive agreed to them before.

I wouldn't mind being tracked so much if... they could identify that I've agreed to being tracked on the 7 websites I visit 1000 times before.

Re: Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

#36

I remember reading my bank's ToS at the time I was just out of the school. I read the whole piece, printed in font size 4 and the conclusion was like this: no matter what happens, it's my fault. It doesn't matter what the TOCs are if they are presented at a gun point: a lot of services don't have alternatives and as much as I wouldn't cry for losing access to Reddit or YouTube,for some that would be the case.

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Re: Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

#37

I frequently get mails from banks and other service providers with subject lines like 'changes to our agreement'. I don't read those either. Mind you, it might be fun to send a few unilateral changes back their way, detailed in a suitably upbeat or condescending letter.

A few contracts I have done in the past I got the terms through and had serious issues with so just ended up blacking out and initially it or adding in an appendix. I don't think I have ever seen a company say a thing about a unilateral change to the contract I just made without negotiation, they like most simply people sign it and accept it without reading it.

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#38

If a website knows I didn't really read a contract, can they claim I am bound by it? I like to hope that the time-spent-reading is logged somewhere. Should it come up in court, Website.com would be required to disclose their logs which would show that I spent all of 1.35s reading their terms and conditions, most of which was spent scrolling. Another puerile hack of mine is to sign a document with the name "I do not a…

The way website.com will start dealing with that, is to block end users to spend legally minimum amount of time on ToS.

Re: Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

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post #3

Ages ago I installed a shareware product. And it also had a scrollable "terms and condition" screen (about 2 pages long) when starting it for the first time. When you clicked the "I Agree" button too quickly it would ask you "Do you really agree to the terms you read in only 0.76 seconds?"

That’s indeed a fun implementation. Most of my shareware memories consist of dark patterns and purple gorillas.

Re: Terms of Service; Didn’t Read

#40

Then the second biggest lie is: We use cookies to give you the best experience on our website. If you continue to use this site we will assume you are happy with it. [Ok] [No] [Privacy Policy] Actual text from the www.gdpr.eu cookie consent pop-up. =)

The biggest confusion I have with the modern web is why these cookie agreements never remember that Ive agreed to them before. I wouldn't mind being tracked so much if... they could identify that I've agreed to being tracked on the 7 websites I visit 1000 times before.

If this was being handled honestly and straight forwardly this would just be a preference set in the browser they complied with. Then someone who was never accept could just be that way, someone else could always accept and others could choose once for each site. But then we had that with headers and such and we all know they just ignored it, because the entire point is to steal the data as often as they can.
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