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Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by sabertoothed »

stefan_ wrote: post #15
shp0ngle wrote: post #10

So, she basically dismissed all other arguments of Assange team except the mental health argument/risk of suicide, and blocked extradition based on that. That's really interesting.

That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. I might be overly cynical but that seems to be little more than a ploy of appearing impartial by denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal.

> That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then.

Appears to be a very valid reason. The US prison system is a disgrace.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by nix23 »

vidarh wrote: post #24
Findeton wrote: post #12

I am incredibly happy for this ruling, I really hope it stands after the appeals. Freedom of expression and the right to know what oppresive governments are doing are too important to lose.

It's an awful ruling overall, from what I can tell from skimming it. It's great Assange won, but this ruling is not at all support for freedom of expression. This is the one part the judge agreed with the defense on as far as I can tell: > 363. I find that the mental condition of Mr. Assange is such that it would be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of America. For anyone not suffering from severe ment…

I really don't get it why the UK is even allowed to extradite a citizen of Australia to the US. Shame on Australia too for not protecting it's citizens.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by gadders »

DanBC wrote: post #30
gadders wrote: post #6

Quite surprised by that verdict. Reading the commentary from Craig Murray [1] I thought it likely he would be extradited. Maybe Trump will pardon him and Snowdon on his way out as well. [1] EG: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/10/your-man-in-...

Some of us did try to say that Murray is a fucking idiot and should not be listened to.

It will be interesting to say what his next update is.

And Amnesty and others weren't positive on the trial process either.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by dempseye »

tda wrote: post #25
lol768 wrote: post #11

Reading the judgement the key points are on pages 116 onwards and the extradition is denied under section 91(3) of the EA 2003 which reads: > The condition is that the physical or mental condition of the person is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him. The judge states: > it is my judgment that there is a real risk that he will be kept in the near isolated conditions imposed by the harshest SAMs…

I have never come across the use of satisfied for "persuaded by argument or evidence" before. (yes, I had to look it up, not a native speaker) Is this usage common or just some kind of legalese?

It is normal usage.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by supergirl »

gadders wrote: post #9
tedeh wrote: post #5

So is Julian Assange going to be released now or what?

"Mr Assange was jailed for 50 weeks in May 2019 for breaching his bail conditions after going into hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London." Given that the US Government is appealing and he has a record of skipping bail, I'd guess no. I suppose they might possibly let him out with an ankle bracelet, but no idea for sure.

doesn’t make sense to jail him until appeal is resolved. he is only in jail for skipping bail.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by jand »

vidarh wrote: post #24
Findeton wrote: post #12

I am incredibly happy for this ruling, I really hope it stands after the appeals. Freedom of expression and the right to know what oppresive governments are doing are too important to lose.

It's an awful ruling overall, from what I can tell from skimming it. It's great Assange won, but this ruling is not at all support for freedom of expression. This is the one part the judge agreed with the defense on as far as I can tell: > 363. I find that the mental condition of Mr. Assange is such that it would be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of America. For anyone not suffering from severe ment…

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Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by vidarh »

xenonite wrote: post #21

This happens on the first day that UK is no EU member anymore. Is this somehow connected?

No. The discussions in the judgement are all focused on UK law, and the ECHR as embedded in UK law, and UK membership of the ECHR remains (it's not an EU organ, but related to the Council of Europe, which while confusingly similar to EU's European Council has nothing to do with the EU).
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