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Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

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Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

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Pure guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if fewer smokers went to the hospital for minor cases. Most of the common symptoms for the illness are things smokers regularly deal with like a loss of taste and smell, congestion, coughing, and breathing difficulties. So unless things are pretty bad, being sick might seem better than getting hospitalized and going through withdrawal. I hope whatever wide scale antibody test t…

People don’t get hospitalised because of just a loss of smell.

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first paragraph says: > The researchers had estimated the rates of daily current smokers among COVID-19-infected patients and compared them to the rates of daily current smokers within the general French population, after controlling the data for sex and age. So, assuming they correctly controlled for age, then no, it’s not “anti-survivorship” bias. (“Casualty bias”?)

There could still be survivorship bias, e.g. the people who don't die from smoking have stronger lungs, and aren't affected as much by covid.

This would be true if the outcome of smoking was binary and quick (i.e. unless you have strong lungs you die from smoking soon, otherwise your lungs remain stronger than the rest of population until natural death).

That’s not a pattern with smoking.

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#33

Pure guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if fewer smokers went to the hospital for minor cases. Most of the common symptoms for the illness are things smokers regularly deal with like a loss of taste and smell, congestion, coughing, and breathing difficulties. So unless things are pretty bad, being sick might seem better than getting hospitalized and going through withdrawal. I hope whatever wide scale antibody test t…

That doesn't really make sense. Whatever are a person's current indicators on the symptoms you just listed, if they were to worsen during this pandemic, people would probably consider going to the hospital.

Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that. Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell".

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#34

Pure guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if fewer smokers went to the hospital for minor cases. Most of the common symptoms for the illness are things smokers regularly deal with like a loss of taste and smell, congestion, coughing, and breathing difficulties. So unless things are pretty bad, being sick might seem better than getting hospitalized and going through withdrawal. I hope whatever wide scale antibody test t…

That doesn't really make sense. Whatever are a person's current indicators on the symptoms you just listed, if they were to worsen during this pandemic, people would probably consider going to the hospital. Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that. Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell".

> Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell".

Right. They have a _persistent_ loss of sense of smell. Regaining sense of smell is one of the major changes that ex-smokers notice after quitting. This is very widely known.

> Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that.

Google "smoker sense of smell" and "smoker sense of taste" and "smoker shortness of breath".

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#35
post #10

smokers more effectively social distance, because people can smell when they’re too close

OTOH, smokers offer cigarettes and lights to each other, and arguably congregate for consumption and have small-talks more than non-smokers given smoking starts with peer group pressure effects, etc.

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#36

As someone who has been wearing nicotine patches every day for several years, the thought of the general population buying up my life source is terrifying. I now have a 400 day supply arriving tomorrow.

> As someone who has been wearing nicotine patches every day for several years

I think you're the first person I've encountered who desires to use nicotine patches indefinitely. Isn't the idea usually to gradually wean off of them instead of just continuing to use them forever?

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't really make sense. Whatever are a person's current indicators on the symptoms you just listed, if they were to worsen during this pandemic, people would probably consider going to the hospital. Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that. Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell".

> Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell". Right. They have a _persistent_ loss of sense of smell. Regaining sense of smell is one of the major changes that ex-smokers notice after quitting. This is very widely known. > Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that. Google "smoker sense of smell" and "smoker sense of taste" and "smoker shortness of breath".

I never heard about that and definitely did not noticed anything like that when I stopped smoking.

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#38

Lol, I've been saying this since July. Severe covid is due to organ inflammation from overaggressive immune system response, and nicotine is an immune system suppressant. The one episode of Dr. House where is was actually sarcoidosis (a systemic inflammatory disease), the patient didn't have any symptoms because of his use of chewing tobacco to manage his weight for wrestling.

Do we currently have no medications that can stop that inflammation from occurring?

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

#39
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Smokers don't have a "sudden loss of sense of smell". Right. They have a _persistent_ loss of sense of smell. Regaining sense of smell is one of the major changes that ex-smokers notice after quitting. This is very widely known. > Apart from perhaps coughing, smokers don't "regularly deal" with any of that. Google "smoker sense of smell" and "smoker sense of taste" and "smoker shortness of breath".

I never heard about that and definitely did not noticed anything like that when I stopped smoking.

How long and heavy you smoked probably matters, and if you aren't expecting it you may not notice your sense of smell and taste slowly getting sharper over a few months.

Personally, quitting smoking led me to eat far less fast food, as I noticed how terrible much of it tasted.

Re: Another French Study Looks Into The Use of Nicotine Against Covid-19

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post #31

Pure guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if fewer smokers went to the hospital for minor cases. Most of the common symptoms for the illness are things smokers regularly deal with like a loss of taste and smell, congestion, coughing, and breathing difficulties. So unless things are pretty bad, being sick might seem better than getting hospitalized and going through withdrawal. I hope whatever wide scale antibody test t…

People don’t get hospitalised because of just a loss of smell.

I do not understand why you think my post said they did.
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