I’m living in Turkey and it’s really ironic that I can’t even access this article. That is the extent of these censorships.
I archived it here, hopefully that works: https://web.archive.org/web/20201231175554/https://www.turki...
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#32Americans and the American media complain about how bad Facebook and tech censorship is, and it is bad, but overseas in countries such as turkey it is way worse. Americans truly take for granted the freedoms they have.
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#33Really looking forward to see how the EU respond here with Turkey vs, say, China or Google or FB. It's just interesting to me how values change depending on whom you're talking to.
What values are you speaking of? Censorship is and has been alive and well in germany for a long time. You can even say germany has no conception of free speech, they just mimic it.
Germany is the inspiration of censorship around the world.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/06/germany-online-crackdow...
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170720/01434337827/russi...
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why aren't neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Ethiopia, etc. taking in 100% of the refugees? Can someone shed some light about refugee situation around NATO/EU? While humanitarian aspects must be taken care of, I only see refugee situation in Germany as a negative thing. It brings nothing to the country, and in fact brings other nonsense such as religious fundamentalism. These people are not going to…
> Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country. > Ethiopia Can't afford to. There is no solution without ending the war, and there's no solution to that without addressing the forces keeping it going. It's like many of the Cold War conflicts, a proxy for wars not being fought with Russia.
> They don't want to, and disregard the human rights of large numbers of people already in the country.
I see, thanks. Is there any sanctions, diplomatic pressure that can be applied?
I am just trying to put myself into the shoes of the average German who doesn't give a shit about geopolitical state of the world - they see a bunch of refugees with zero skills, language barrier and strong embedded religious fundamentalist views taking over. How is this difficult to see?
This feels unfair to Germans and Europeans in general because of some conflict thousands of miles afar. I can understand small numbers of refugees being taken in, I support rebuilding and financing such tasks in their home countries, but jeez...
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#35I’m living in Turkey and it’s really ironic that I can’t even access this article. That is the extent of these censorships.
I archived it here, hopefully that works: https://web.archive.org/web/20201231175554/https://www.turki...
> On 9 October 2016, GitHub and Internet Archive[273] were blocked and associated administrative orders were subsequently posted by the BTK stating that access had been officially restricted.
Not sure it'll be accessible.
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#36After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.
> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…
They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?
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#37I’m living in Turkey and it’s really ironic that I can’t even access this article. That is the extent of these censorships.
Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?
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#38Americans and the American media complain about how bad Facebook and tech censorship is, and it is bad, but overseas in countries such as turkey it is way worse. Americans truly take for granted the freedoms they have.
Wouldn't taking it for granted be the opposite? The strong response to any perceived attack on freedom of speech shows the value placed in it.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate you saying that. I am from the Balkans but from neither of these two countries and I was wondering whether you would say most of the people around you share your view . It is heartwarming to see humanist messages like yours, but I have the impression that much bigger part of the Balkans expresses more jingoistic nationalistic and xenophobic views.
Balkans are a war torn region, I honestly don't share some of my compatriots, idiotic opinions about naming other countries. Although they haven't lived though let's say Sarajevo in the 90s, I hope we all realize, that war isn't the solution to disputes. To answer your question, I try to surround my self with educated people, not dogmatic morons.
I understand your sentiment, but, the flip side is that a strong military is a good safeguard for peace. I have this... Hard to formulate opinion that you should be prepared to prevail in violence but at the same time avoid it as much as possible.
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#40This is a very tricky situation. Two things come to mind.
1. Turkey wants a fight. I keep up on reading the western commentary and analysis about the region (Not the mainstream crap), and it's apparent to me that deeply-entrenched forces in Turkey want a fight. Our strategy so far is to do the best we can to ignore/placate them. I'm not sure how long that continues to work.
2. From time-to-time, we talk on HN about the internet becoming more and more walled off, with commercial ventures preventing competition and nationalistic devices like the Great Firewall of China preventing movement of information. There's not going to be one dramatic moment when we wake up and the net is gone. It's probably mostly gone now, and every day a bit more slips away unnoticed. We talk about and react to stories like this, but there are plenty of similar actions that nobody responds to. It's like Google customer support: the only way to make anything at all happen is to make a big stink, and in the long-run even doing that doesn't matter much to the average net user.
I am deeply unhappy and concerned about Turkey's future. I wish there was something I could to to help, but any response at all from the west will be used as political fodder. They're not in a good spot right now.