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Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
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Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#32Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Remember when they looked at 2 years of body-cam footage for one of their highest earners and came out the other end with 32 counts of assault, false imprisonment and generalized misconduct? [1] They didn't get that idea themselves, though. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/12/12/an-office...
>Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers.
Baltimore is #11 on a list of most violent cities in the world[1]. There are children and good people trying to live in those crime-ridden neighborhoods. The police is not the problem. I feel for the cops there because you can't take one of the most violent cities in the world and expect to police it like Sweden. As such, I wish they maintained their surveillance program because it works and it would result in more perps being taken out of that victimized community.
Victim-rights trump criminal-rights.
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#33> The ACLU and local activists are currently suing the BPD in an attempt to prevent the AIR program, which was a six-month pilot, from starting up again in Baltimore or anywhere else.
I may no longer fully agree with what ACLU has turned into in recent years (despite their legendary past of unquestionable defense, which now apparently HAS conditions thanks to the social media whining era, which is sadly unsurprising in 2020), I fully respect what they are doing here.
This sounds like the police were caught in the act and a perfect moment for pro-privacy lawyers to nail them in court.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#34Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Remember when they looked at 2 years of body-cam footage for one of their highest earners and came out the other end with 32 counts of assault, false imprisonment and generalized misconduct? [1] They didn't get that idea themselves, though. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/12/12/an-office...
>Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Baltimore is #11 on a list of most violent cities in the world[1]. There are children and good people trying to live in those crime-ridden neighborhoods. The police is not the problem. I feel for the cops there because you can't take one of the most violent cities in the world and expect to police it like Sweden. As such, I wish they mai…
And what about the victims of false imprisonment due to a wholly corrupt police department?
Sorry, working a tough beat does not excuse the malfeasance endemic to the Baltimore PD.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#35Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Remember when they looked at 2 years of body-cam footage for one of their highest earners and came out the other end with 32 counts of assault, false imprisonment and generalized misconduct? [1] They didn't get that idea themselves, though. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/12/12/an-office...
>Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Baltimore is #11 on a list of most violent cities in the world[1]. There are children and good people trying to live in those crime-ridden neighborhoods. The police is not the problem. I feel for the cops there because you can't take one of the most violent cities in the world and expect to police it like Sweden. As such, I wish they mai…
Allowing cops to commit crimes doesn’t help victim-rights, it creates more victims and more citizens unwilling to assist police.
Did you read the article? Prosecutors didn’t make up the charges against this officer, they have documented video proof. There is no reason to arrest and assault bystanders, none.
I believe the vast majority of cops are doing their jobs legally and honestly. But you have to punish and root out those cops who aren’t, or you will never get the public trust necessary to really make a dent in high crime areas.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#36Unsurprising. I wish that mass surveillance didn't have complicit bipartisan support, but people in power only ever seem interested in expanding it.
There is also huge support to reduce high crime rates. People will compromise some things to achieve this.
It’s hard to reduce crime rates when you constantly manufacture new types of victimless crimes and create lucrative black markets to incentivize participants to use assault, intimidation and murder in the course of business.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#37Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Remember when they looked at 2 years of body-cam footage for one of their highest earners and came out the other end with 32 counts of assault, false imprisonment and generalized misconduct? [1] They didn't get that idea themselves, though. 1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/12/12/an-office...
>Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Baltimore is #11 on a list of most violent cities in the world[1]. There are children and good people trying to live in those crime-ridden neighborhoods. The police is not the problem. I feel for the cops there because you can't take one of the most violent cities in the world and expect to police it like Sweden. As such, I wish they mai…
Then it needs to secede from Maryland and the whole union so they can use their holistic solutions to policing. Our constitution does not support the way the police act.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#38Police can't really face any consequences for lying, so why wouldn't they? On an individual level it doesn't matter even if the lie is in a courtroom for the purpose of turning a murder into justified deadly force! Why wouldn't an organization of police lie even more when they know full well neither the org nor the individual officers will be punished? Even in this story the truly disturbing part is this: > A three-j…
It’s not “exactly” true, there are plenty of cases where departments have fired individual officers for the singular act of lying in investigations.
A better way to say it is that there aren’t enough honorable police departments firing enough dishonest cops.
And in this case they will argue that misleading != lying.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Baltimore police does need a mass surveillance program - for it's own officers. Baltimore is #11 on a list of most violent cities in the world[1]. There are children and good people trying to live in those crime-ridden neighborhoods. The police is not the problem. I feel for the cops there because you can't take one of the most violent cities in the world and expect to police it like Sweden. As such, I wish they mai…
Allowing cops to commit crimes doesn’t help victim-rights, it creates more victims and more citizens unwilling to assist police. Did you read the article? Prosecutors didn’t make up the charges against this officer, they have documented video proof. There is no reason to arrest and assault bystanders, none. I believe the vast majority of cops are doing their jobs legally and honestly. But you have to punish and root…
>Did you read the article?
I did. ACLU is trying to prevent this program from restarting after a trial run.
>or you will never get the public trust necessary to really make a dent in high crime areas.
Where is the evidence that 'public trust' is the reason for the high crime rate? What if the causality is reversed ... what if high crime rate is what breeds tougher policing because you know, police are human, and it has to mess you up being exposed to the worst of humanity, every.single.day, working in one of the most crime filled city in the world.
> But you have to punish and root out those cops who aren’t
Sure, nobody disagrees with that, but to be clear, that won't fix the crime rate in Baltimore.
Re: Baltimore police lied about almost every aspect of its spy plane program
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why are they tied together? Because someone proposed an amendment to the bill, and enough people voted for it for the amendment to pass . Then politicians don't have to put their name on voting for the extension to the "Patriot" Act. But some of them still voted for this. With some research, they could be named and shamed.
Because presidents keep refusing to veto (presumably because they will look weak if they veto something that gets enough votes for an override)
I'd love to see a president (of any party) veto a bill simply because it was 5500 pages long. "Send me a budget, not an encyclopedia."