So, a completely down-to-the-silicon vertically integrated system with baked in non replaceable RAM has nice performance per watt. Wow.
Apple Silicon M1 MacBook Pro Review: This Changes Everything
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… while consuming far less power, while being passively cooled, and while not even running native code! I think Apple is a huge threat to general purpose computing freedom, and I refuse to use their products. But hats off to their M1!
"I think Apple is a huge threat to general purpose computing freedom" I don't see how, unless you see literally all proprietary operating systems as such. Remember, iOS MacOS.
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I'm pretty much anti-Intel because I lost 10 years of my life waiting for CPUs to advance (hyperbole!), and it took a swift kick from AMD to get any traction there. But I also think it's a little short-sighted to predict the next 5 years based on the past 5 years. Intel's Tiger Lake is remarkably good, albeit limited by production capacity (tops out at 4 cores and not found in many products). As an indication of what…
I'm not basing the prediction on the past 5 years. Intel themselves have said that they'll do 7nm around 2022-2023 - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-announces-delay-to-7... 5nm is probably going to be 2024-2025 at this cadence. And true, Intel's 7nm process might be somewhat equivalent to TSMC's 5nm process as far as performance goes, but at that point in 2022 TSMC will be doing 3nm, according to them. https:…
I've always wondered how people on HN are able to spit out detailed answers like this with references and facts with such great ease as part of a back-and-forth conversation. Are you a professional in hardware? Or just an enthusiastic follower?
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I'm not basing the prediction on the past 5 years. Intel themselves have said that they'll do 7nm around 2022-2023 - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-announces-delay-to-7... 5nm is probably going to be 2024-2025 at this cadence. And true, Intel's 7nm process might be somewhat equivalent to TSMC's 5nm process as far as performance goes, but at that point in 2022 TSMC will be doing 3nm, according to them. https:…
I've always wondered how people on HN are able to spit out detailed answers like this with references and facts with such great ease as part of a back-and-forth conversation. Are you a professional in hardware? Or just an enthusiastic follower?
The various node steps are pretty well defined along with the players.
* For CPU design it's AMD, Intel and ARM players (Apple, Samsung etc)
* For discrete GPU it's really AMD and Nvidia, Intel may be moving into discrete but have traditionally only delivered on within an integrated CPU/GPU package.
* For manufacturing it's Intel, Samsung, TSMC, Global Foundaries.
* And major node steppings at the moment are 14nm, 10nm, 7nm, 5nm, 3nm (there are some less "standard" steppings such as 12nm, 8nm etc. but it's worth noting that these are somewhat marketing monikers at this stage anyway).
And so to find references you can pretty much combine these aspects to come up with the various articles.
I personally love nerding out on chip technology, no major expert just find it interesting to follow.
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#36I think a lot of people who have been reflexively buying new MacBook Pros every couple years should do themselves a favor and seriously consider a MacBook Air this time around. It's the same performance most of the time, and for tasks longer than 5 minutes, thermal throttling will only reduce performance by ~20% or so - for many that's still, plenty, plenty fast, when the baseline is a super fast machine. And in retu…
>Unless you really need every ounce of performance
Or a screen larger than 13"!
Not that the M1 MacBook Pro is available in larger than 13" either, but I'm holding out until the 16" arrives.