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How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

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Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

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It just isn't plausible that Starship launch costs for LEO could be 1/28th the costs for Falcon Heavy. This sounds like more Musk optimism to me.

They are designing for full and rapid reusability (like an airplane) and unlike the Falcon Heavy, the second stage is not thrown away, but also fully reusable. Seems plausible to me. If I remember correctly Musk estimated $2 million cost per launch, with about 1/4 of that raw fuel costs.

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#32

Given these insanely cheap prices, I have to wonder about the viability of sending your own microsatellites into space to create your own personal communications cluster. I don't know enough to know what all would be required, how / if you could communicate with other networks, etc., but even just having your own personal LEO satellite-based communications network seems relatively plausible based on these launch cost…

Cheap means "of a low price", so a price can't be cheap, just low.

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

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In Switzerland, in some Cantons, there is a trash tax. You pay roughly 1-2 USD the small taxed trash bag. So at the current trend it will literally become cost efficient to send our trash to space in a few years.

It is $2 a sticker (1 sticker per normal bag, 1.5 stickers for large ones) here in Western Massachusetts, USA and you have to drive your trash and recycling yourself to the "dump" (town transfer station).

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#34

Not diminishing the technology advancement that SpaceX has been pushing but are these prices profitable? Or is it similar to the Tesla strategy which is to keep margin minimal (even negative) at the benefit of breaking into the market?

I dont have the link to the price analysis, but I believe the re-usable falcon9 becomes profitable after the 2nd or 3rd launch. The disposable falcon is profitable on the first launch.

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#35

Nice charts ! I was a bit sad not to find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_(rocket_family) in the list ! I'm really not expert enough into space race matters to know if it's relevant, or if the tiny french LEO platform would be worth charting ?

Going from the lowest price and highest payload for the Ariane 5... $165,000,000 / 20,000 kg = $8250/kg, or still not really competitive.

And in fact, the source spreadsheet [0] lists a few members of the Ariane family - so I think it's charted.

0: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TPewJ64QNVtM5sbRDIXu...

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#36

In Switzerland, in some Cantons, there is a trash tax. You pay roughly 1-2 USD the small taxed trash bag. So at the current trend it will literally become cost efficient to send our trash to space in a few years.

Trash is full of valuable materials! Right now it may not be economical to recover those, but I would be surprised if we aren't mining our landfills in the next 100 years. That said, the CO2 emissions from launching anything non-essential into orbit are huge, I'd wait until we have a space elevator to (intentionally) throw trash into space.

I was just watching a video where they made the claim that the slag from steel production 100 years ago has more metal than some ores, so it's becoming worthwhile to re-mill slag.

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#37

It just isn't plausible that Starship launch costs for LEO could be 1/28th the costs for Falcon Heavy. This sounds like more Musk optimism to me.

Part of the problem is that it's not quite that high, and it's also a moving metric. Apparently the cost of a Falcon 9 launch is down to $28 million, which is ~$1,200/kg thanks to reusability.

″[The rocket] costs $28 million to launch it, that’s with everything,” Couluris said, adding that reusing the rockets is what is “bringing the price down.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/elon-musk-spacex-falcon-9-ro...

As SpaceX uses their Falcon 9s more, the cost will continue to fall and approach consumables plus the amortized cost of the 1st stage.

The Starship is the same idea, but with larger payload and better reusability. Realistically it'll be somewhat expensive initially, but as they improve the design and reuse, costs will drop.

Re: How much does it cost to send 1kg to lower earth orbit?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trash is full of valuable materials! Right now it may not be economical to recover those, but I would be surprised if we aren't mining our landfills in the next 100 years. That said, the CO2 emissions from launching anything non-essential into orbit are huge, I'd wait until we have a space elevator to (intentionally) throw trash into space.

I'm interested to see what's viable to send to orbit now. Can a solar shade be put up which blocks light from hitting our poles and prevent some climactic change? How about rocketing asteroids back to LEO for processing into valuable minerals?

Geoengineering projects will probably require a lot of haggling in committees, mining asteroids does seem to have some momentum (pun intended)[1] though I would personally worry about moving some big metallic asteroid to LEO, wouldn't want to make any mistakes...

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining#Proposed_minin...

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