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Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by Melting_Harps »

kasperni wrote: post #6
grenoire wrote: post #5

Their share price is down nearly 15-16% on open. Must be absolutely terrifying for them. I hope their management's ego recovers well.

I'm wondering how it would have looked if they had just postponed the launch.

> I'm wondering how it would have looked if they had just postponed the launch.

For the 3rd time? Not well, I've actually got back into console gaming after a near 10 year hiatus specifically for 2077, and to be honest after beating Watchdogs Legion and dealing with all of those bugs (also delayed online play due to bugs across all platforms) I'm actually ok just watching Youtube videos of people playing 2077 in HD rather than buy it myself.

I just wished most would not talk when playing, these youtube personalities are completely intolerable. And while I get that very embellished behavior is critical to their revenue stream, it's appeal is completely lost on and I'm perplexed by who would sit and listen to this for the 8+ hours they play for without wanting to jump out of a window head-first into concrete. Let alone pay them for the experience.

In a way it reminds me of that annoying friend we all had as kids and tolerated because his parents have him all the latest and greatest toys and games and junk food; how these people (Twitch specifically) managed to monetize this awful experience confuses the hell out of me when you realize the roles have been reversed.

I've always frequented arcades since I was a kid and now into adulthood, and nothing clears a room faster than an overly dramatic, and annoying player that wants nothing more than to seek attention.

With that said, this PR disaster is just par for the course for 2020, so maybe with a proper series of patches/updates it'll be all forgotten? I'll likely pick it up when its enabled multiplayer Online play and on discount, assuming they ever fix it on PS4 Pro.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by curiousgal »

jhanschoo wrote: post #28

I wonder why this happened to Cyberpunk 2077 when it did not happen to No Man's Sky. It could just be inconsistent enforcement or greater negative response, but it was also a timed exclusive with publishing assistance from Sony.

There's a difference between a game underdelivering content and a game continuously crashing.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by qz2 »

indrekju wrote: post #23
qz2 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crashing here constantly. What GPU/CPU combo do you have? Seems to be rather sensitive to that. I've had no issues with any other games on this PC. 3700X / B550M / GTX 1660 here.

3900X / 5700XT

I was going to move to the Radeon side of things. Perhaps that'll help... assuming I can get one!

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by speedgoose »

jhanschoo wrote: post #28

I wonder why this happened to Cyberpunk 2077 when it did not happen to No Man's Sky. It could just be inconsistent enforcement or greater negative response, but it was also a timed exclusive with publishing assistance from Sony.

No Man's Sky was disapointing but playable on PlayStation.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by alkonaut »

willis936 wrote: post #7
saiya-jin wrote: post #4

I don't get the folks who expect, exactly from this studio, to have perfect bug-less game on Day-1. I mean, how far detached from reality and clueless about games in general must you be? There are very few studios who can produce such quality prior to release (ie last Zelda), but I guess they are not under such pressure to release on many platforms in parallel just before christmas. It will be an amazing game once th…

No. Unfinished games being released is a relatively new trend and only happens because companies try to maximize profit. There is no consumer advantage to it. Companies should be held accountable for their bad behavior, no two ways about it. Don’t sell your reputation by giving the middle finger to your customers.

> There is no consumer advantage to it.

Now you are assuming people having [next big game] in month N is as good as having it in month N+10. I think there is a large amount of gamers out there that would rather play a disappointing mess now, than a polished game later.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by Kreotiko »

I wonder how this game got released in the first place. In another life I worked as game tester and I am sure that most issues I read on 2077 must have been caught in those test. If Sony really cares about their brand more than fearing the competitors they could have stopped the release.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by noir_lord »

speedgoose wrote: post #34
jhanschoo wrote: post #28

I wonder why this happened to Cyberpunk 2077 when it did not happen to No Man's Sky. It could just be inconsistent enforcement or greater negative response, but it was also a timed exclusive with publishing assistance from Sony.

No Man's Sky was disapointing but playable on PlayStation.

Worth noting, Hello Games have plugged away ever since with massive releases that have brought the game up to (and arguably beyond) what it should have been at launch based on promises.

It's one of the best examples of redemption of image I've seen in a game - also I'm a huge fan of VR No Mans Sky, it's one of the few AAA titles around.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by willis936 »

michaelscott wrote: post #30
willis936 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The easiest way to find out is to wait. CDPR always sells their games before they’re ready then continues development for a few years. It’s an unacceptable practice but the market allows (and thusfar has rewarded) this practice.

While this is true, the current state of this particular game is not good enough even for a pre-ready launch. The models that are just blobs and take ages to render in, the constant crashes on all platforms in the opening missions and a number of other bugs have made the game close to unplayable. I do hope they manage to bring the game to a workable state though because it's clearly fantastic from a story, environmen…

They just pushed it too far this time. They knew the risks but also knew they had extraordinary marketing. Their preorder numbers were insane. Delaying risked a less-than-maximized peak sales. They would have shipped a pile of burning dogshit if it meant they could hit the date. That’s exactly what they did.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by willis936 »

alkonaut wrote: post #35
willis936 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Unfinished games being released is a relatively new trend and only happens because companies try to maximize profit. There is no consumer advantage to it. Companies should be held accountable for their bad behavior, no two ways about it. Don’t sell your reputation by giving the middle finger to your customers.

> There is no consumer advantage to it. Now you are assuming people having [next big game] in month N is as good as having it in month N+10. I think there is a large amount of gamers out there that would rather play a disappointing mess now, than a polished game later.

This doesn’t ring true at all. The games market is saturated. The reason to play the latest and greatest single player AAA game is because it is the latest and greatest. If the game is worse than a 5 year old competitor, then why even play it at all? Plenty of gamers have not played GTA V or The Witcher 3. Those are better experiences and cost much less.

Re: Cyberpunk 2077 removed from PS Store and refunded

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Post by kolinko »

Kreotiko wrote: post #36

I wonder how this game got released in the first place. In another life I worked as game tester and I am sure that most issues I read on 2077 must have been caught in those test. If Sony really cares about their brand more than fearing the competitors they could have stopped the release.

I can imagine a year-long crunch where the devs are so tired and the codebase so messed up that the progress is not goes nowhere.

You end up in a situation where you either need to have to start from scratch, or you release a half-backed product and hope it all works out in the end.

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