How Google’s AI ethics meltdown could shape policy

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Re: How Google’s AI ethics meltdown could shape policy

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Post by prepend » Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 4:58 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #30

prepend wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, you cannot resign with an completely unspecific effective date; a conditional statement that in should particular circumstances you would work with someone to set a final date is not a resignation. So there was no resignation to accept. Would you share some information on where this comes from. It sounds pretty authoritative. I’ve worked with people who said “I quit” and walked out. It seemed to succeed as t…

> I’ve worked with people who said “I quit” and walked out. It seemed to succeed as they never came back. There's a pretty big difference between “I quit” (a simple immediate present tense statement) and “I will work with you on setting a non-disruptive end date” (a statement of future intent to set an as-yet-unspecified end-date.) Here's some (Texas-specific, but broadly similar considerations apply in other US juri…

That link seems to be about the employer trying to keep the employee.

Bringing up constructive dismissal seems irrelevant.

I understand there are differences but there seems to be no legal requirement that’s clear to at least both of us.

I think the only way we’ll have a clear determination is if she files for unemployment and either is approved or denied by the state.

But it seems saying unequivocally that she was fired isn’t clear or accurate with more info.

Re: How Google’s AI ethics meltdown could shape policy

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Post by mlthoughts2018 » Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 5:03 AM UTC

itsdrewmiller wrote: post #29

prepend wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless you give a date for your resignation and the company honors that date, it is a termination I’m not sure there’s such a fine line. Unless this is defined someone where in Google, I don’t think it’s accurate. I can resign in many ways and then there’s formalities.

It is: https://cuiab.ca.gov/board/precedentdecisions/docs/pb39.pdf

I think you are asserting misinformation. If Gebru did not list a resignation date and made the resignation conditional on demands in her ultimatum, then the resignation would be effective instantly under the conditions of not fulfilling her ultimatum, just as she said.

You would need example case law of employees declaring a resignation conditional not on any date or time, but on specific demands which are immediately denied by the employer.

>> If you don’t give me a raise then consider me resigned.

>> I don’t give you a raise, therefore I accept your instantaneous resignation.

This linked example where an employee listed a departing date and then was terminated sooner than that does not seen applicable to Gebru’s situation, and I don’t appreciate you saying my comment is misinformation if this is the level of countering material you’re providing. I’m happy to be shown to be wrong, but that’s not what your link describes at all.

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