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Re: Rails 3 - Fully Loaded

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Post by defroost » Sat, May 14, 2011, 10:53 AM UTC

DanielKehoe wrote: post #19

adambair wrote: post #10

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Agreed. Unfortunately I think it's becoming more difficult for beginners to get up and running with Rails. Perhaps that's how a community evolves... or perhaps I'm no longer the target audience ;)

I agree, what he doesn't say is how much effort is often needed to get all of the moving parts working together. For example, integrating Devise with RSpec and Cucumber. And then switching to an ORM such as Mongoid. A good tutorial like Michael Hartl's teaches the basics of Rails but putting together your basic starter app can get complicated. Sometimes it takes combing through a dozen (mostly outdated) blog posts to…

I've used your rails3_devise_wizard to get-up-and-running on a recent project, and to experiment with difference stacks and it is really useful. Projects like yours and http://railswizard.org are really useful for customizing the default Rails3 stack and customizing a customization of a given stack. Thank you.

Re: Rails 3 - Fully Loaded

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Post by adamtrilling » Sat, May 14, 2011, 1:38 PM UTC

rbxbx wrote: post #14

I'd be surprised if anyone that has built a few significant rails applications with devise would continue to use it. Unless you're going to have the most vanilla session/user/authentication management ever, fighting against devise gets downright nasty. Have had moderate success with https://github.com/NoamB/sorcery lately, however I'm not yet confident in calling this a solved problem. edit: Devise is great for getti…

Is there any reason not to just roll your own auth, with something like http://railscasts.com/episodes/250-authentication-from-scrat... and add omniauth if you want to use OAuth? It's not much more work than getting devise running, and it gives you the flexibility to do pretty much whatever you want in terms of fitting auth into your app.

(Also, it works fine with CanCan, which is brilliant and does a good job at staying out of your way.)

Re: Rails 3 - Fully Loaded

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Post by sleight42 » Sat, May 14, 2011, 2:21 PM UTC

adambair wrote: post #10

swanson wrote: post #3

This is an awesome resource, there is an overwhelming amount of choice for people that are new to Rails development (I am encountering this myself at the moment). While I hope to eventually be able to pick which gems I like to use best, for a beginner this kind of guidance is really valuable.

Agreed. Unfortunately I think it's becoming more difficult for beginners to get up and running with Rails. Perhaps that's how a community evolves... or perhaps I'm no longer the target audience ;)

Or maybe it will be the death of Rails.

The alure once was how quickly developers can build web apps. It seems to be becoming more limited to how quickly experienced Rails developers can build web apps.