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Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Post by rufus_foreman »

ardy42 wrote: post #12
zaphod12 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is answered quite clearly in the article - because he's well connected. Largely that means people with money, but influence doesn't hurt either. He cut the line as a VIP. Is that ethically wrong? Probably. Is it new? Not even remotely.

> This is answered quite clearly in the article - because he's well connected. Largely that means people with money, but influence doesn't hurt either. He cut the line as a VIP. > Is that ethically wrong? Probably. Is it new? Not even remotely. The story here is not that corruption is "new." The story is that there were a total of 108 doses of this treatment allocated to Washington, and one of them went to someone wi…

>> and had a history of reckless behavior to boot

If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex?

Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Post by ardy42 »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #31
ardy42 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is answered quite clearly in the article - because he's well connected. Largely that means people with money, but influence doesn't hurt either. He cut the line as a VIP. > Is that ethically wrong? Probably. Is it new? Not even remotely. The story here is not that corruption is "new." The story is that there were a total of 108 doses of this treatment allocated to Washington, and one of them went to someone wi…

>> and had a history of reckless behavior to boot If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex?

> If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex?

Giuliani didn't get a vaccine, he got treatment for an active infection.

This is more like: you have one dose of an AIDS cure. Do you give it to the IV drug user who has unprotected sex with strangers at weekly orgies, or do you give it to the 10 year old kid who got it through a blood transfusion?

Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Post by rufus_foreman »

ardy42 wrote: post #32
rufus_foreman wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> and had a history of reckless behavior to boot If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex?

> If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex? Giuliani didn't get a vaccine, he got treatment for an active infection. This is more like: you have one dose of an AIDS cure. Do you give it to the IV drug user who has unprotected sex with strangers at weekly orgies, or do you give it to the 10 year old kid who got i…

OK so do you give the treatment to the 10 year old kid who has a 0.000% chance of dying or the 76 year old who has a 5% chance of dying?

Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Post by ardy42 »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #33
ardy42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If there were a vaccine for AIDS, who should get it first, the sober person in a monogamous relationship or the IV drug user having unprotected sex? Giuliani didn't get a vaccine, he got treatment for an active infection. This is more like: you have one dose of an AIDS cure. Do you give it to the IV drug user who has unprotected sex with strangers at weekly orgies, or do you give it to the 10 year old kid who got i…

OK so do you give the treatment to the 10 year old kid who has a 0.000% chance of dying or the 76 year old who has a 5% chance of dying?

> OK so do you give the treatment to the 10 year old kid who has a 0.000% chance of dying or the 76 year old who has a 5% chance of dying?

You're jumping all over the place with your contrived hypotheticals. Are we still talking about AIDS?

Yeah, Giuliani is 76 years old, but he behaved recklessly and there are other old people who didn't. If we're contriving hypotheticals, why should he get it an not some elderly nurse that came back from retirement to help treat COVID patients [1]?

He got it because he was connected, and there was probably someone who had more need or was more deserving who didn't get it because of him.

[1] That is a thing: https://globalnews.ca/news/7481581/texas-nurse-covid-teacher...: "A 70-year-old nurse who gave up her retirement to train a new generation of front-line workers for the pandemic has died, after contracting COVID-19 in north Texas."

Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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Post by rufus_foreman »

ardy42 wrote: post #34
rufus_foreman wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK so do you give the treatment to the 10 year old kid who has a 0.000% chance of dying or the 76 year old who has a 5% chance of dying?

> OK so do you give the treatment to the 10 year old kid who has a 0.000% chance of dying or the 76 year old who has a 5% chance of dying? You're jumping all over the place with your contrived hypotheticals. Are we still talking about AIDS? Yeah, Giuliani is 76 years old, but he behaved recklessly and there are other old people who didn't. If we're contriving hypotheticals, why should he get it an not some elderly nu…

I'm not jumping all over the place at all.

>> he behaved recklessly

Does that mean other people should be treated in front of him? And if that is the case should that apply in other cases where people behave recklessly?

People who shoot IV drugs behave recklessly. People who have unprotected sex behave recklessly.

Are people who do not engage in those behaviours more deserving of treatment than people who do engage in those behaviours?

I've been asking you this question about three different ways and you won't answer the question.

Re: Rudy Giuliani got monoclonal antibodies. You probably can’t

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throwawaybutwhy wrote: post #29

What is the problem here? A frail old geezer gets some medicine that can avert onset of pneumonia. All right, New York Times, I understand you want to be the judge who gets euthanized and who doesn't. Maybe you don't like he's friends with Trump. If I had a friend who'd pull any strings to save my life, I'd be honored and humbled and prayed for him as long as I breathe. It's a shame HN gets flooded with hateful journ…

The problem is that he took it from someone else.
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