This is complete BS. The complaint alleges that 1750 messages were posted on an communications system urging employees to blow whistles. Those messages were linked to an IP address which Comcast pointed at Jones’ home. Is that enough for a conviction? No, it’s not hard to establish reasonable doubt with that. But that’s damn well enough for a search warrant to sieze electronics from somebody’s home. Being fired for i…
Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
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Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#32Everyone knows the evidence and information supporting the raid was nonsense. She refused to bend the knee to a conservative administration while people were dying, and the political machine decided to lash out.
Everyone? Having not read the court filing that granted the search warrant I know nothing about the information supporting the seizure. I know that she tried to make an emotional appeal on social media, I know that she has been accused of really sketchy behavior with a coworker, and I know that people who read her messaging are going to jump to conclusions about her being wronged with no information besides her being…
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#33Everyone knows the evidence and information supporting the raid was nonsense. She refused to bend the knee to a conservative administration while people were dying, and the political machine decided to lash out.
Everyone? Having not read the court filing that granted the search warrant I know nothing about the information supporting the seizure. I know that she tried to make an emotional appeal on social media, I know that she has been accused of really sketchy behavior with a coworker, and I know that people who read her messaging are going to jump to conclusions about her being wronged with no information besides her being…
Claim an IP was found by examining logs (no logs shown)
Claim they used “investigative procedures” to identify the IP as belonging to Ms Jones.
Both seem weak but I don’t know usual practice.
Seems odd no actual logs (easily forged) are included. Also odd they don’t just say “Comcast said at time X the IP belonged to her” so unclear what strength of evidence they really had.
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#34This is complete BS. The complaint alleges that 1750 messages were posted on an communications system urging employees to blow whistles. Those messages were linked to an IP address which Comcast pointed at Jones’ home. Is that enough for a conviction? No, it’s not hard to establish reasonable doubt with that. But that’s damn well enough for a search warrant to sieze electronics from somebody’s home. Being fired for i…
The point is why on earth would you send essentially a SWAT team for such a warrant. And no, it's not unsurprising that the data used to back a warrant or prosecution would be falsified. The US system is rife with all kinds of people being railroaded with shaky witness and cops lying about events.
That’s how you get officers fired up and concerned for their safety.
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#35This is complete BS. The complaint alleges that 1750 messages were posted on an communications system urging employees to blow whistles. Those messages were linked to an IP address which Comcast pointed at Jones’ home. Is that enough for a conviction? No, it’s not hard to establish reasonable doubt with that. But that’s damn well enough for a search warrant to sieze electronics from somebody’s home. Being fired for i…
Officers have a well known history of not having a warrant and acting like they have a warrant so you'll give them implicit permission to search and seize. I don't blame anyone for denying them entry.
You don't have to spoof an IP. Depending on the system you just need a text editor. Are their access logs under good chain of custody? How would a tech illiterate judge know?
These are reasons why I wait for the text of the case.
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#36This is complete BS. The complaint alleges that 1750 messages were posted on an communications system urging employees to blow whistles. Those messages were linked to an IP address which Comcast pointed at Jones’ home. Is that enough for a conviction? No, it’s not hard to establish reasonable doubt with that. But that’s damn well enough for a search warrant to sieze electronics from somebody’s home. Being fired for i…
A man got a restraining order against her, and after it expired she started harassing him again and posted explicit pictures of him on a wordpress site and sent it around to people who knew him. She was arrested and charges are pending trial.
This sounds like exactly the kind of woman capable of doing something like the search warrant accused.
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
The point is why on earth would you send essentially a SWAT team for such a warrant. And no, it's not unsurprising that the data used to back a warrant or prosecution would be falsified. The US system is rife with all kinds of people being railroaded with shaky witness and cops lying about events.
She didn’t let them in for twenty minutes, hung up on the phone and wouldn’t answer the door. That’s how you get officers fired up and concerned for their safety.
Thing is, nothing that she is accused of requires this level of force, even if she's stalling. If they want her so bad, they can just starve her out.
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#38This is complete BS. The complaint alleges that 1750 messages were posted on an communications system urging employees to blow whistles. Those messages were linked to an IP address which Comcast pointed at Jones’ home. Is that enough for a conviction? No, it’s not hard to establish reasonable doubt with that. But that’s damn well enough for a search warrant to sieze electronics from somebody’s home. Being fired for i…
"is it more likely" if you want to base criminal acts on "more likely" then you're making vast assumptions similar to tabloid drama. You or I don't know the facts of any of this until it's brought and argued in court. People lie, prosecutors lie, defendants lie and neither you nor I can magically predict the outcome. It can very well be occam's razor applies, however occams razor is a logical fallacy. Officers have a…
Re: Experts: Evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your claims are not supported by the article linked.
If you look at the first article, you will see that it does in fact support the facts I presented: [1] The state epidemiologist asked her supervisor to temporily remove the data: "“Per Dr. Blackmore, disable the ability to export the data to files from the dashboard immediately. We need to ensure that dates (date fields) in all objects match their counterpart on the PDF line list published,”" [2] Rebekah assumed this…
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#40This is a pretty bad article. Their expert isn't: "Butler, at the University of Florida, said making an IP address that appears to come from elsewhere isn't that complicated." And the legal analysis is weak, but that's apparent from the title: "Experts: evidence to support search warrant on Rebekah Jones' home flimsy" Yes, search warrants are to search for evidence. If the evidence wasn't flimsy they'd have had an ar…
I get your points, but I disagree with your contention that the fact that all users of the system used a shared username and password doesn’t complicate the case. We’ve established that an IP address is not strong evidence for identifying an individual. IP address != authentication. What _could_ have established strong evidence tying the alleged unauthorized access to an individual’s identity would have been _actual_…
Well no, we haven't. There's one standard of evidence for conviction and another for a search warrant. You'd never get a conviction on that alone though.
> in any case, without providing evidence that the IP address is _only_ associated with the accused, and _not_ with any others with similar opportunity and motive
Because no other fired employee lives at her address? But that's not relevant because they got a warrant to search her address, not simply her person.
> I disagree with your contention that the fact that all users of the system used a shared username and password doesn’t complicate the case.
I do agree that it's not open and shut, but I don't think that the specific fact of the password being shared will complicate this case further.
Having the IP provides the linkage to her that is otherwise lacking because of the shared account.
> for example, any others with access to the shared username and password who might want to access the data for similar reasons, or wanted to frame the accused for hacking and put an end to the her very public/politicized efforts
There's even less evidence from which to come up with conspiracy theories than simply to blame the accused. Sure, it could have gone down in some complex and unlikely way, but why are we discussing zebras instead of horses?
And, any investigation of a conspiracy to frame her would necessarily start with the only clue - that the communication came from her IP.