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Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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We spend way more in software (also online services) than in hardware.

Do cars count as hardware? People spend a lot on those.

Its about the margin though isn't it? They cost a lot to buy but they also cost a lot to make. How much value can Apple and Microsoft extract from you over the lifetime of a single car.

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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This should be very interesting, I'm not clear on the relationships after their split but Hyundai has a huge reach across every sort of heavy industry you can think of. I found another article that says it is the motor division that is acquiring Boston Dynamics. I'm surprised the US allowed this, Boston Dynamics seems like the sort of company they would keep close to home.

https://www.kedglobal.com/newsView/ked202012080011

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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Could someone explain why this acquisition makes sense? The core competencies between the two companies seem to have little overlap from my outsider perspective. Is this diversification or does Hyundai make more than automobiles?

Even if Hyundai weren't a diverse conglomerate as several other commenters have pointed out, car manufacturing and robotics have plenty of overlap.

Robots are used to make cars. Robots and cars both require precision engineering at a macro scale. Both have lots of electronics and control systems, even leaving out self-driving or autonomous capabilities.

For 5% of Hyundai's market cap, I think you can make a case for BD being valuable to Hyundai just as a car manufacturer, or having synergies with its core business.

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

#34

This should be very interesting, I'm not clear on the relationships after their split but Hyundai has a huge reach across every sort of heavy industry you can think of. I found another article that says it is the motor division that is acquiring Boston Dynamics. I'm surprised the US allowed this, Boston Dynamics seems like the sort of company they would keep close to home. https://www.kedglobal.com/newsView/ked202012…

What reason would there be to disallow it?

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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This just demonstrates the "price gap" between virtual and "real world" companies. An app with a few thousand uses with worth more than one of the world's best engineering companies. Even if either has a path to profitability.

I agree, and it's probably becoming a problem, but... I don't think this is a good example of that. I mean, we're talking about the value of a business. Boston Dynamics is more of a research lab. They don't really have much in the way of revenue streams, customers, products, etc.

Cutting edge research is ultra-high risk-to-reward.

Some of the scientist and engineers working there might invent/discover what could be the most significant thing in human history for the next hundred years. Leading to a fabulous amount of wealth creation. But there's no guarantee the company financing all of this will be able to capitalize on that invention.

That's a lot of ifs. If people there invent something important; if the company sees the true value of the invention; if it is marketed in a way that makes money; if etc...

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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This just demonstrates the "price gap" between virtual and "real world" companies. An app with a few thousand uses with worth more than one of the world's best engineering companies. Even if either has a path to profitability.

I was going to cite concrete numbers for BD’s previous acquisitions — since I was certain I’d heard those figures being higher — but Wikipedia just gives the Google and SoftBank purchases as being undisclosed sums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Dynamics#Company_histor...

This Bloomberg article[1] claims the 2017 sale to Softbank was just $165 million. Compare that to SaaS valuations. Software is wild.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-17/boston-dy...

Re: Hyundai to acquire Boston Dynamics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > In early November, Bloomberg first reported that Hyundai was in talks to acquire Boston Dynamics from Tokyo-based SoftBank Group. The Japanese conglomerate is selling off non-core business assets after it was hit hard by a series of soured bets, including WeWork and Uber. In September 2020, Softbank sold Arm to NVIDIA for $40 billion.

I wonder how much this has changed with the continued increase in stock values and new companies going public. Uber, Doordash, etc. aren't the losers that they appeared to be even just a couple months ago.

If one thing i have seen stock market != real world economics. You had a car rental go broke and its stock got pumped 500% or so after the fact.
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